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ZetaVI · 11-04-2011, 12:41 PM

When I first saw the GC i thought it looked nice. You go Hyundai! My cousin was really thinking of buying it so we went for a test drive. Both took it for a spin and didn't like it as we thought it would. Who knows if the next generation will be better but for now I wouldn't get it.

Dave-ROR · 11-04-2011, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

Dave why do you feel that way? I would love to hear your in depth opinion on it since I have driven the car myself 2.0t/3.8. I liked it a lot when I drove the car, very responsive steering with good weight, tight feeling chassis, handling was good enough for street but not excellent and super sharp, brembo brakes was outstanding, power was great(3.8), and the auto wasn't as bad as most but the manual is another story.

Steering feel was lacking, the chassis didn't communicate with the driver as much as I would have preferred either. Brakes were fine, steering was fairly responsive just not communicative. A buddy went with me for the test drive and afterwards asked why I didn't floor it, to which I explained that I had it floored through 2nd to the top of 3rd, the car was just that slow and underpowered for it's weight (2.0T).

I was expecting basically what I'm expecting out of the FR-S. A light, nimble, communicative package. The GC failed at that.

SUB-FT86 · 11-04-2011, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Steering feel was lacking, the chassis didn't communicate with the driver as much as I would have preferred either. Brakes were fine, steering was fairly responsive just not communicative. A buddy went with me for the test drive and afterwards asked why I didn't floor it, to which I explained that I had it floored through 2nd to the top of 3rd, the car was just that slow and underpowered for it's weight (2.0T).

I was expecting basically what I'm expecting out of the FR-S. A light, nimble, communicative package. The GC failed at that.

It sounded like you wanted it to be super hardcore which is fine for the track. That's why it's a tuners car. You need to make it more hardcore with upgraded suspension, wheels and tires, and other little things. Hyundai tried a balance package between street and track but it more favors street as 95% of the time will be spent there anyways.

Dave-ROR · 11-04-2011, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SUB-FT86

It sounded like you wanted it to be super hardcore which is fine for the track. That's why it's a tuners car. You need to make it more hardcore with upgraded suspension, wheels and tires, and other little things. Hyundai tried a balance package between street and track but it more favors street as 95% of the time will be spent there anyways.

It's not that easy to make a car that is isolated become a communicative car that feels like an extension of the driver.

I've driven a well modified one at an autocross to, it just felt like a much faster but still dead feeling version of the stock one. :shrug:

I wouldn't call that a request for it to be hardcore either. Even the slowest, cheapest boxster is extremely fun to drive and extremely communicative, but I'm not sure anyone would ever call it hardcore.

Snoopyalien24 · 11-04-2011, 01:20 PM

I like the front of the FR-S, don't like the GC. Period. I'd rather have a ehh rear and a beautiful looking front, then a ugly front and a nice rear. I do like the GC rear tails more, right now, than the FR-S's

ZetaVI · 11-04-2011, 01:24 PM

Well speaking of the GC another leaked photo of its new facelift has shown up. It looks ok but I don't think it is that amazing.

mokinbird87 · 11-04-2011, 01:55 PM

If i was going to buy GC i would buy the 3.8 with auto tranny. Why? because it's not a hardcore sportscar but a decent grand touring car. It is really heavy and just a lot bigger in dimension to be an outright sportscar but for the weight penalty it makes up in the ride quality and how quiet it is inside the cabin. let me give you a run down of each trim level i test drove:

3.8 track manual: 19" tires and stiiff suspension without much travel (butt dyno) makes this car VERY uncomfortable (i feel better in my wrx with tokico struts and prodrive springs), still heavy. decent brakes but very touchy in feel...
3.8 gran touring auto: comfy tire height and suspension result supple ride. this car is just runs smoother in automatic. keyless ignition, entry, HIDs..yada yada. very well equipped yet just as sporty as the track version without the harsh ride and touchy brakes.
2.0T manual: dont hear/feel the engine as much as I did on the V6... end of story.

small tactile things: the leather used to wrap the steering wheel feels like plastic... clutch is retarded soft with a high engaging point (maybe i`m used to my car).

but the overall chassis is really pretty nice; it's more of a bargain G37 rather than a nicer S2000.

fernan2 · 11-04-2011, 02:02 PM

i like the FR-S moar!

mokinbird87 · 11-04-2011, 02:07 PM

Im sorry... I`m korean and I really WANT to like the gen coupe, but man that front makes me puke. interior is WAYYY to busy for my taste but I like the stiched leather dash.

aloretoc · 11-04-2011, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by fernan2

i like the FR-S moar!

It looks like a stretched out veloster... Disgusting...

Kage · 11-04-2011, 02:34 PM

I liked the exterior design and the interior layout of the current gen coupe...The new one is just a ....a...idk i cant think of a word bad enough...

Snoopyalien24 · 11-04-2011, 02:53 PM

Its... Its like an autistic GT-R..

No offense to any autistic person.

SUB-FT86 · 11-04-2011, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Kage

I liked the exterior design and the interior layout of the current gen coupe...The new one is just a ....a...idk i cant think of a word bad enough...

AGREED!!! I love the 2011 interior and exterior.

cassidy0998 · 11-04-2011, 03:51 PM

I actually haven't driven a GC yet, but I haven't driven an FR-S/BRZ either. However, as far as cosmetics go, I do like the look of the current and future GC. I actually really REALLY like them. But that's just my opinion. I think the new front is aggressive, sharp, and reflects on the other cars in Hyundai's lineup. Which I think is a pretty cool quality.

On the other hand, I also really really like the way the FR-S/BRZ looks (From what we have seen so far). The two cars are neck and neck to me looks wise at the moment. The GC will be a little bigger/heavier, but it also comes with an optional V6 which puts it in a totally different class "power" wise than the FR-S/BRZ. Considering that the R-Spec 3.8 GC is in the $27k range, I can't agree with people saying that the GC V6 is in a totally different price range than the FR-S/BRZ. Because it doesn't look like it's going to be. And with the 2.0T being close to $22k for the base, that's a hard deal to beat.

Also, the GC comes with a 10 year 100k mile power-train warranty (for people wanting their car to last them 10+ years.) That's a pretty good deal. The tC and other Toyotas/Scions come with a 5 yr 60k mile warranty, I can't see the FR-S being any different. Just something to keep in mind.

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ZetaVI Gundam Meister Join Date: Oct 2011 Drives: A Gundam Location: Westchester County, NY Posts: 2,685 Thanks: 320 Thanked 1,010 Times in 510 Posts Mentioned: 9 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	When I first saw the GC i thought it looked nice. You go Hyundai! My cousin was really thinking of buying it so we went for a test drive. Both took it for a spin and didn't like it as we thought it would. Who knows if the next generation will be better but for now I wouldn't get it.

11-04-2011, 01:24 PM	#174
ZetaVI Gundam Meister Join Date: Oct 2011 Drives: A Gundam Location: Westchester County, NY Posts: 2,685 Thanks: 320 Thanked 1,010 Times in 510 Posts Mentioned: 9 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Well speaking of the GC another leaked photo of its new facelift has shown up. It looks ok but I don't think it is that amazing.

11-04-2011, 01:55 PM	#175
mokinbird87 BOXER FR Join Date: Oct 2011 Drives: WRB BRZ Limited Location: irvine, ca Posts: 752 Thanks: 393 Thanked 335 Times in 171 Posts Mentioned: 10 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	If i was going to buy GC i would buy the 3.8 with auto tranny. Why? because it's not a hardcore sportscar but a decent grand touring car. It is really heavy and just a lot bigger in dimension to be an outright sportscar but for the weight penalty it makes up in the ride quality and how quiet it is inside the cabin. let me give you a run down of each trim level i test drove: 3.8 track manual: 19" tires and stiiff suspension without much travel (butt dyno) makes this car VERY uncomfortable (i feel better in my wrx with tokico struts and prodrive springs), still heavy. decent brakes but very touchy in feel... 3.8 gran touring auto: comfy tire height and suspension result supple ride. this car is just runs smoother in automatic. keyless ignition, entry, HIDs..yada yada. very well equipped yet just as sporty as the track version without the harsh ride and touchy brakes. 2.0T manual: dont hear/feel the engine as much as I did on the V6... end of story. small tactile things: the leather used to wrap the steering wheel feels like plastic... clutch is retarded soft with a high engaging point (maybe i`m used to my car). but the overall chassis is really pretty nice; it's more of a bargain G37 rather than a nicer S2000.

11-04-2011, 02:02 PM	#176
fernan2 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Drives: Wrx Location: puerto rico Posts: 374 Thanks: 49 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	i like the FR-S moar!

11-04-2011, 02:07 PM	#177
mokinbird87 BOXER FR Join Date: Oct 2011 Drives: WRB BRZ Limited Location: irvine, ca Posts: 752 Thanks: 393 Thanked 335 Times in 171 Posts Mentioned: 10 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Im sorry... I`m korean and I really WANT to like the gen coupe, but man that front makes me puke. interior is WAYYY to busy for my taste but I like the stiched leather dash.

11-04-2011, 03:51 PM	#182
cassidy0998 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Drives: '99 Ranger / '94 APU Supra / Ninja! Location: Missississississippi Posts: 462 Thanks: 3 Thanked 8 Times in 8 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I actually haven't driven a GC yet, but I haven't driven an FR-S/BRZ either. However, as far as cosmetics go, I do like the look of the current and future GC. I actually really REALLY like them. But that's just my opinion. I think the new front is aggressive, sharp, and reflects on the other cars in Hyundai's lineup. Which I think is a pretty cool quality. On the other hand, I also really really like the way the FR-S/BRZ looks (From what we have seen so far). The two cars are neck and neck to me looks wise at the moment. The GC will be a little bigger/heavier, but it also comes with an optional V6 which puts it in a totally different class "power" wise than the FR-S/BRZ. Considering that the R-Spec 3.8 GC is in the $27k range, I can't agree with people saying that the GC V6 is in a totally different price range than the FR-S/BRZ. Because it doesn't look like it's going to be. And with the 2.0T being close to $22k for the base, that's a hard deal to beat. Also, the GC comes with a 10 year 100k mile power-train warranty (for people wanting their car to last them 10+ years.) That's a pretty good deal. The tC and other Toyotas/Scions come with a 5 yr 60k mile warranty, I can't see the FR-S being any different. Just something to keep in mind.

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