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03-13-2014, 10:55 PM | #29 | |
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After I saw you get in and not put a helmet on, I had a feeling it was going to be a mediocre review. Thanks for sharing and congrats on the editor job though.
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Srsly. $60K? Sorry, I'm buying a Cayman, not a used BMW.
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03-13-2014, 11:35 PM | #34 |
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Ouch bro. I bought the BMW.
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Interesting about the 6 speeds. I hadn't read that but I could see needing different gearing for the 4 cylinder. The 228i can be equipped with the same M adaptive suspension as an option.
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You already had a Cayman though.
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03-13-2014, 11:51 PM | #37 |
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I already had an E92 M3 as well. Should have went with a 997.1 GT3 back when prices were reasonable and 991 GT3s could still be driven without fear of oil fires destroying your 130k car. The 228i is a great car for the money.
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Don't think official numbers have been released for the STI. I expect 3450 lbs or so. The US weight number for the M4 is 3295 lbs and the M3 is 3351 lbs. Again these aren't the most real world numbers though. They are closer than I thought, however.
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curb weight: 3260lbs weight distribution: 50/50 HP: 240 TQ: 255 Forward gear ratios: 3.7/2.0/1.31:1/1.00/0.81/0.70 Reverse gear ratio: 3.35 :1 Final drive ratio 3.91 :1 M235i manual Curb Weight: 3505 lbs Weight distribution: 51.9/48.1 % HP: 320 TQ: 330 Forward gear ratios: 4.11/2.32/1.54/1.18/1.00/0.85 Reverse gear ratio: 3.73 :1 Final drive ratio: not listed Six speed in the M235i looks better, gear ratio wise. |
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I liked the review! Sam, you have a good calm delivery and you come across as well-informed and intelligent.
WHAT!? I had to look this up. Yep, it's right. Less than 50 pounds lighter than my auto-equipped 2009 335i....four-door. How can this new car weigh so much? Hmm...looking at the specs, it's only 4" shorter than my car. The wheelbase is less than 2" shorter. It is the same height as my car. I really, really, wanted to love this new car. I do love the driving feel of my sedan. (I've upgraded it, of course! M suspension bits, 385 rwhp, LSD...) But I wanted a car with all that turbo six power, but lower weight. Something significantly more agile. Figure 3300 pounds or so. In fact, this M235i weighs almost exactly the same as the current-generation 335i sedan! And costs about the same, too. For my money I'll take the bigger package at the same cost and weight, even if the "little" car is sexier looking. In any case, I'd wait two years for a used one to come off lease at $20,000 under the MSRP... --Dan Mach V |
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They spec it 11.1 lbs/Hp Yes the M3 is with more HP/ToRque. But like you said, it is not AWD, specially Symetrical. RWD or Fwd can never beat AWD in handling, but you are right. The M3 is way more powerful, until the STI spend 2-3k into Stage 2 tune and a little more Still STI is Subaru, M3 is a BMW. I just dis-like the fact that Op said you drive 86 until you can save 80k for an M3 then upgrade....really ? |
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03-14-2014, 09:49 AM | #42 |
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Not sure if srs. RWD or FWD can never beat AWD? You seriously think the STI will out handle the new M3/4? You do know that the M3/M4 are turbocharged now right. Your "Stage 2" (I hate obligitory Stage upgrade numbers) can be applied to the BMW as well. Where did you get that 3385 lbs number?
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