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Old 03-13-2014, 10:55 PM   #29
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The difference is that the M235i is not an M2. You can literally make the 228i the exact same car minus the 6 cylinder turbo motor and some M235i badges. The only question is whether you can make the same hp/torque with the $4000 you save getting the 4 cylinder turbo.
Not quite. The manual 6 speeds are different, with the one on the M235i coming from the 1M. IIRC there are also differences in suspension tuning between even the sportiest 228 and the M235i - hardly surprising given the different engine weights.
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Old 03-13-2014, 11:02 PM   #30
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I'm now an editor for BIMMERPOST.com

My first assignment was to go to Las Vegas Motor Speedway for the M235i launch and abuse the hell out of the new Bimmer on the track. Here is my video review!


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+1 I was waiting for some more aggressive driving and didn't any abuse.

After I saw you get in and not put a helmet on, I had a feeling it was going to be a mediocre review. Thanks for sharing and congrats on the editor job though.
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I saw the review on youtube! It was pretty good. I like the looks of it and I want to see how the manual stacks up. Looks like a very good chassis. I want to know how it stacks up to a 1M.
Will probably cost less than $60K used...
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Old 03-13-2014, 11:10 PM   #32
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Will probably cost less than $60K used...
Yeah but the 1M was sold out in record time and a limited production car. I imagine this won't be so I think it will depreciate differently.
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Srsly. $60K? Sorry, I'm buying a Cayman, not a used BMW.
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Srsly. $60K? Sorry, I'm buying a Cayman, not a used BMW.
Ouch bro. I bought the BMW.
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Not quite. The manual 6 speeds are different, with the one on the M235i coming from the 1M. IIRC there are also differences in suspension tuning between even the sportiest 228 and the M235i - hardly surprising given the different engine weights.
Interesting about the 6 speeds. I hadn't read that but I could see needing different gearing for the 4 cylinder. The 228i can be equipped with the same M adaptive suspension as an option.
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Ouch bro. I bought the BMW.
You already had a Cayman though.

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Interesting about the 6 speeds. I hadn't read that but I could see needing different gearing for the 4 cylinder. The 228i can be equipped with the same M adaptive suspension as an option.
You're selling me on the 228i, stop it.
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You already had a Cayman though.

You're selling me on the 228i, stop it.
I already had an E92 M3 as well. Should have went with a 997.1 GT3 back when prices were reasonable and 991 GT3s could still be driven without fear of oil fires destroying your 130k car. The 228i is a great car for the money.
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What is the weight of the M3 vs 15 STI again ?
Don't think official numbers have been released for the STI. I expect 3450 lbs or so. The US weight number for the M4 is 3295 lbs and the M3 is 3351 lbs. Again these aren't the most real world numbers though. They are closer than I thought, however.
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228i manual
curb weight: 3260lbs
weight distribution: 50/50
HP: 240
TQ: 255
Forward gear ratios: 3.7/2.0/1.31:1/1.00/0.81/0.70
Reverse gear ratio: 3.35 :1
Final drive ratio 3.91 :1

M235i manual
Curb Weight: 3505 lbs
Weight distribution: 51.9/48.1 %
HP: 320
TQ: 330
Forward gear ratios: 4.11/2.32/1.54/1.18/1.00/0.85
Reverse gear ratio: 3.73 :1
Final drive ratio: not listed

Six speed in the M235i looks better, gear ratio wise.
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I liked the review! Sam, you have a good calm delivery and you come across as well-informed and intelligent.

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...but also so heavy (3500lbs).
WHAT!? I had to look this up. Yep, it's right. Less than 50 pounds lighter than my auto-equipped 2009 335i....four-door. How can this new car weigh so much? Hmm...looking at the specs, it's only 4" shorter than my car. The wheelbase is less than 2" shorter. It is the same height as my car.

I really, really, wanted to love this new car. I do love the driving feel of my sedan. (I've upgraded it, of course! M suspension bits, 385 rwhp, LSD...) But I wanted a car with all that turbo six power, but lower weight. Something significantly more agile. Figure 3300 pounds or so.

In fact, this M235i weighs almost exactly the same as the current-generation 335i sedan! And costs about the same, too. For my money I'll take the bigger package at the same cost and weight, even if the "little" car is sexier looking.

In any case, I'd wait two years for a used one to come off lease at $20,000 under the MSRP...

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Don't think official numbers have been released for the STI. I expect 3450 lbs or so. The US weight number for the M4 is 3295 lbs and the M3 is 3351 lbs. Again these aren't the most real world numbers though. They are closer than I thought, however.
2015 STI is 3385 lbs.

They spec it 11.1 lbs/Hp

Yes the M3 is with more HP/ToRque. But like you said, it is not AWD, specially Symetrical. RWD or Fwd can never beat AWD in handling, but you are right. The M3 is way more powerful, until the STI spend 2-3k into Stage 2 tune and a little more

Still STI is Subaru, M3 is a BMW.

I just dis-like the fact that Op said you drive 86 until you can save 80k for an M3 then upgrade....really ?
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But like you said, it is not AWD, specially Symetrical. RWD or Fwd can never beat AWD in handling, but you are right. The M3 is way more powerful, until the STI spend 2-3k into Stage 2 tune and a little more
Not sure if srs. RWD or FWD can never beat AWD? You seriously think the STI will out handle the new M3/4? You do know that the M3/M4 are turbocharged now right. Your "Stage 2" (I hate obligitory Stage upgrade numbers) can be applied to the BMW as well. Where did you get that 3385 lbs number?
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