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Old 05-14-2019, 09:26 PM   #169
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Engine braking literally has nothing to do with downshifting. Engine braking by definition is anytime you lift off the throttle and the ECU cuts all fuel and spark. It puts LESS wear on the engine than idling. If you want to argue about wear then leave engine braking out of it and stick purely to arguing that downshifts wear because that is technically correct although insignificant when done properly.
And I think you're probably right about that definition maybe if you get technical, but most people think like the guy in the Corvette mentioned earlier...

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Just saying, it's one thing if your racing or your ABS is INOP, but otherwise it's kind of an unnecessary risk.

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next you're gonna tell me that ABS makes cars stop faster... (SPOILER; it doesn't, it allows you to maintain control during the stop, sacrificing distance for control)

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No, I downshift when appropriate, but not if I know I'm stopping, and not to slow myself down unless I'm worried about skidding but with ABS I'm almost never worried about skidding. Sure I'll rev match to exit a turn or something but I'm not going downshift through 5 gears when I could just hit the brakes.
um, you have a car that's known for going sideways and being very playful to drive, right?

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Learn to rev match heel and toe downshift...
Sure you'll screw up a few times but within a week it'll be fine.
There really is no risk in downshifting, especially if you're rev matching. If you think otherwise, then you really have no business driving a manual car. The last thing your transmission/clutch and other drivers need is you not being able to handle a clutch/brake/shifter in a panic situation.
i toe-toe, or big/little roll. haven't come up with a good name for it yet, but apparently i'm an extreme oddball in the car world to not be able to heel toe.
i tried it a few times, i only panic stopped and bounced off the rev limiter in the same instance.

i still genuinely believe that the 86 rev-matches with the manual. from the first day i've tried rev-matching, i very rarely ever over/under-rev, and most time's it feels like i'm just blindly stabbing the gas to rev-match. my fear is nannies. i'm not opposed to nannies occupying the seats, but keep them out of my motor.

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I can do it, I just only rev match for a gear I'm actually going to use to accelerate. I'm not going downshift 5 times just to stop. Or 3 times to go from 6 to 3rd when I could just use the brakes and go right to 3rd. That's like OCD status if you have to use every gear everytime. And again $20 pads versus much more expensive parts to wear... for what just because you have a manual and you can? I'm not trying to use the clutch any more times than I need to even when I'm driving semi-hard. Unless you're 1in behind the guy in front of you with no idea when he might try to take off (on a track maybe) on you how do you not know what gear your going to need next? Or is this really saving you money burning through all these extra shifts just so as not to use the brakes for their intended purpose? Maybe it's a preference thing but it seems inefficient to me unless your in hot battle or not sure what gear you're going to need next. Probably costs more in gas alone than pads let alone maintenance, lol.

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wait, that isn't the whole point of choosing to drive a manual over an automatic? hell, there's times where i aim for the congested part of town just so i can row row row my boat!

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And I think you're probably right about that definition maybe if you get technical, but most people think like the guy in the Corvette mentioned earlier...

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And I think you're probably right about that definition maybe if you get technical, but most people think like the guy in the Corvette mentioned earlier...

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It’s black and white. Engine braking and downshifting are different things even if you often do both at the same time. Engine braking in itself does not cause wear. You’ve basically moved the goal posts once you realized that engine braking doesn’t involve some sort of lever that jams in the spokes.
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It’s black and white. Engine braking and downshifting are different things even if you often do both at the same time. Engine braking in itself does not cause wear. You’ve basically moved the goal posts once you realized that engine braking doesn’t involve some sort of lever that jams in the spokes.
Hey if by engine braking we aren't talking about bone heads downshifting though every gear then you're preaching to the choir.

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It’s black and white. Engine braking and downshifting are different things even if you often do both at the same time. Engine braking in itself does not cause wear. You’ve basically moved the goal posts once you realized that engine braking doesn’t involve some sort of lever that jams in the spokes.
now you're gonna trigger humfrz to tell a back-in-the-day donkey story!
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now you're gonna trigger humfrz to tell a back-in-the-day donkey story!
One can only hope.

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the problem with making everything idiot proof is that they keep coming out with newer models of idiot.

i'm a big supporter of survivorship bias!
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Hey if by engine braking we aren't talking about bone heads downshifting though every gear then you're preaching to the choir.

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Correction, you mean drivers that actually know how to drive and have fun with their car.
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Correction, you mean drivers that actually know how to drive and have fun with their car.
I know how to downshift and rev match. Doesn't mean I need to do it every single time though every single gear. Especially if I know what gear I will need to be in when I actually start accelerating again. You guys play Chess thinking 1 move ahead?

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this has moved so fast, i'm not even sure i know which choir anyone is preaching to anymore.

i think the batter on the 3rd goalpost has the hackysack.
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Compressing air does not cause wear dude. You do realize the engine is always compressing air right?
Lol. He won't stop, he is growing too strong, evacuate while you still can.
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I know how to downshift and rev match. Doesn't mean I need to do it every single time though every single gear. Especially if I know what gear I will need to be in when I actually start accelerating again. You guys play Chess thinking 1 move ahead?

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Yes, by putting it in the gear I need next rather than sticking it in neutral which I do not need next.
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Lol. He won't stop, he is growing too strong, evacuate while you still can.
Fallacy man has added troll to the list, lol. Although I am kinda, haha. Keep feeding me!

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