questions on '17+ PP Sach shocks

[stlgrym3]

i've read one selling point for Sach is they are more compatible with lowering springs, can anyone vouch for this?

[86MLR]

Originally Posted by stlgrym3

i've read one selling point for Sach is they are more compatible with lowering springs, can anyone vouch for this?

This is more about stroke lenght I believe, and from my "possibly flawed" research the stroke lenght is typical.

Either way, I'm not sold on the Sachs branding, yes they have some quality items, but the dampers used are basic cheap items with a Euro name attached.

I believe, jadded view, that they were able to get roughly what they wanted from Sachs cheaper than the other "brand name" suppliers like Bilstein.

I know no one that hasn't replaced their PP Sachs.

Getting the PP is a no brainer for the the brakes alone, the 7.5" rims are a bonus if you want to fit 225 or 235.

Unless I was replacing blown old OEM dampers I wouldn't bother with the Sachs.

Opinions may vary

[yberther]

I went from 2013 stock to 2017 PP Sachs and RCE yellows. Love it.
Definitely a bit firmer, but overall tire control seems much better. The big bumps/undulations on some back roads I've compared are better controlled by the PP/RCE setup.

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by 86MLR

This is more about stroke lenght I believe, and from my "possibly flawed" research the stroke lenght is typical.

Either way, I'm not sold on the Sachs branding, yes they have some quality items, but the dampers used are basic cheap items with a Euro name attached.

I believe, jadded view, that they were able to get roughly what they wanted from Sachs cheaper than the other "brand name" suppliers like Bilstein.

I know no one that hasn't replaced their PP Sachs.

Getting the PP is a no brainer for the the brakes alone, the 7.5" rims are a bonus if you want to fit 225 or 235.

Unless I was replacing blown old OEM dampers I wouldn't bother with the Sachs.

Opinions may vary

They are not cheap.

[dostoyevsky]

Originally Posted by JIM THEO

Those springs they came with are more than enough and probably not far from the STI pinks, we'll see when I fit them

I have the tS suspension in my 2017 Non-PP and I can say they are very similar to the STI pinks.

[86MLR]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

They are not cheap.

I don't have mine anymore but what is the Sachs P/N that is "stamped" on them, not the Subaru P/N on the sticker?

IICRC I googled the Sachs damper P/N and they were around $200 a piece, Subaru P/N came in at twice that, because OEM markup I presume.

[stlgrym3]

Originally Posted by 86MLR

This is more about stroke lenght I believe, and from my "possibly flawed" research the stroke lenght is typical.

Either way, I'm not sold on the Sachs branding, yes they have some quality items, but the dampers used are basic cheap items with a Euro name attached.

I believe, jadded view, that they were able to get roughly what they wanted from Sachs cheaper than the other "brand name" suppliers like Bilstein.

I know no one that hasn't replaced their PP Sachs.

Getting the PP is a no brainer for the the brakes alone, the 7.5" rims are a bonus if you want to fit 225 or 235.

Unless I was replacing blown old OEM dampers I wouldn't bother with the Sachs.

Opinions may vary

so the PP wheels are 0.5" wider than the regular stock 17"? i honestly did not know that.

[86MLR]

Originally Posted by stlgrym3

so the PP wheels are 0.5" wider than the regular stock 17"? i honestly did not know that.

Yeah, they are a bit heavy though

[nikitopo]

Originally Posted by 86MLR

I don't have mine anymore but what is the Sachs P/N that is "stamped" on them, not the Subaru P/N on the sticker?

IICRC I googled the Sachs damper P/N and they were around $200 a piece, Subaru P/N came in at twice that, because OEM markup I presume.

I am not sure where did you find this. Here are the prices of the shock absorbers:

Ordinary

https://parts.subaru.com/p/Subaru_20...0310CA230.html

https://parts.subaru.com/p/Subaru_20...0365CA210.html


Sachs (Performance Package)

https://parts.subaru.com/p/Subaru__/...0310CA160.html

https://parts.subaru.com/p/Subaru__/...0365CA120.html

[86MLR]

Originally Posted by nikitopo

I am not sure where did you find this. Here are the prices of the shock absorbers:

Ordinary

https://parts.subaru.com/p/Subaru_20...0310CA230.html

https://parts.subaru.com/p/Subaru_20...0365CA210.html


Sachs (Performance Package)

https://parts.subaru.com/p/Subaru__/...0310CA160.html

https://parts.subaru.com/p/Subaru__/...0365CA120.html

I found the P/N from Sachs somewhere, not the Subaru version, Subaru have thrown a markup on the Dampener.

If someone who has them can looked for the stamped P/N from Sachs I can look for it in their catalog, if I can find it online again.

[JIM THEO]

I don't think Sachs can sell the PP or tS dampers for the BRZ, according to patent pending it can trade these 10 years after Subaru started to sell the cars so not before 2025+, am I wrong?
https://webcat.zf.com/?SPR=4

[JIM THEO]

Originally Posted by 86MLR

I found the P/N from Sachs somewhere, not the Subaru version, Subaru have thrown a markup on the Dampener.

If someone who has them can looked for the stamped P/N from Sachs I can look for it in their catalog, if I can find it online again.

tS dampers, 171150, 171154, 171173, 171168 marked on them except the Subaru part number, none of them associated with Sachs part number:
https://buyee.pixnet.net/blog/post/2...%AB-zc6-brz-st

[Shark_Bait88]

Originally Posted by 86MLR

Either way, I'm not sold on the Sachs branding, yes they have some quality items, but the dampers used are basic cheap items with a Euro name attached.

I believe, jadded view, that they were able to get roughly what they wanted from Sachs cheaper than the other "brand name" suppliers like Bilstein.

What do you mean by "sold on the Sachs branding?" Do you think that Sachs is just a brand name being used to sell some cheaper generic damper? How do you know they're just basic cheap dampers with a Euro name attached? And if that is the case, how do you know the other big name euro brands (like bilstein and ohlins) aren't doing the same thing?

Not attacking here, just curious what led you to these conclusions.

Originally Posted by 86MLR

I found the P/N from Sachs somewhere, not the Subaru version, Subaru have thrown a markup on the Dampener.

If someone who has them can looked for the stamped P/N from Sachs I can look for it in their catalog, if I can find it online again.

SACHS PNs for dampers are usually 6 digits. I tried looking at pictures of PP shocks, to see if I could find it, but can't. I'd be very curious to find out the SACHS PN

Different regions (NA vs Australia) will also often introduce different PNs for their markets. So while you may be able to find them in Australia, I highly doubt they'd get introduced for NA aftermarket. I don't think any vendors in NA will be selling them in the aftermarket, unless they're ordering or shipping from overseas. You might have a better shot being in Australia.

[86MLR]

@Shark bait88 What do you mean by "sold on the Sachs branding?"

"Not sold on" = I wouldn't buy them.


I think they are very poorly designed for purpose , too crashy on anything but a dead smooth surface. in my opinion anyway.

They reminded me of a set of BC coilovers I had on a MX5, great on the track as long as I kept away from the rumble strips , rubbish on the street.

As for the pricing, the performance package here costs $2200, for that you get 17 x 7.5 rims, Brembo brakes, and the Suspension.

However you break it down it is a good deal, but $2200 for all that?

$2200 for everything,...... compromises were made, small ones with the Brembo's (pistons), and I belive bigger compromises with the dampers.

In the end this is only my view, other people may like them, but for me, on the streets of Sydney, they were crap.