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12-02-2015, 04:05 PM | #57 | |
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This is with a OEM front pipe and OEM exhaust. Everything on the powertrain for the car is stock, except for the header/overpipe combo, @Jackson Racing oil cooler, and a @DeliciousTuning Flex Fuel kit. - Orange - ACE 4-2-1 E70 - Red - ACE 4-2-1 ACN 91 - Purple - UEL + OP E70 - Blue - UEL + OP ACN 91 |
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Everyone has their own thoughts/goals/opinions on this. I'm personally not trying to pinch every last NA hp/tq/powerband etc out of my car that I can. I don't go to the track or anything, it's a daily driver.
At the end of the day with even with the best NA bolt-ons that money can buy, it's still a <= ~200whp (on gasoline) car. So I am ok with buying a $200 header, it gives me good readings on the butt dyno and rumbles. I would never spend $1000 on a header, I would put it towards a FI setup if I cared that much for power. |
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What is the max possible power output that header A can have over header B running equivalent tunes? At the end of the day, they are both a set of pipes of relatively equal diameter and length. Sure, the bends and lengths can vary between the two, but I don't think one will have a notable amount of power over the other. I understand they will have slightly different power bands, but to me it doesn't justify paying $1000 for one when I can have the other for, in this case, $288. When you pay $1000 or more for a header thinking you will get more output, it's like trying to squeeze water from a rock. If you're willing to spend that amount money for a small return on investment, spend it on FI which will actually get you power. |
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If you're comping peak vs peak, then it may not look like much. When you compare the maximum delta, an the delta across the entire powerband, it suddenly becomes much, much larger. If a header is just a collection of pipes to you, then the cheaper header is definitely the right option for you |
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The goal should be kept in mind when discussing these things. If one wants budget-friendly mods, either do basic bolt-ons (and keep it at that) or go forced induction. There really is no need to compare high end N/A builds with FI builds that can make more power for less. Apples to oranges. -alex |
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I understand what you're saying, Mike. But to me, having smidgens of extra power at different parts of my power band doesn't justify paying 4x the price. If I was getting gobs of power at different parts of the power band then that would be a different story.
I agree with you, alex. If a person wants to chase 3.62 hp for an extra $712 then that is their decision. |
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Wait... i thought ESC make 220 at the wheels doe?
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Here's an overlay. Both cars on the same dyno.
Higher numbers: Phantom ESC 24v v2.0 + UEL + e85 OpenFlashTablet - OTS tune. PROcede controller. TRD Drop-in filter (dirty) CNT UEL Header (el-cheapo, but it does its' job, for now) Ultimate Racing resonated FP/OP combo 2.75" TRD USA Catback Lower numbers: Ace header Ace front pipe E70 Now... how much of the higher dyno is header, how much is E85, and how much is the Phantom? A JRSC + e85 + header on this dyno will make well over 320, and JRSC + Ace + E85 cars have made 380+. Alternatively, you could say Ace + 91 + tune makes 50% of the gains of Phantom + header + E85 + tune. |
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You're trying to say brand A header makes 60+ more hp than brand B? How do you define well over 320, that could be 379 :P.
Is this your hypothesis or do you have actual documentation? |
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