Is it wise to buy an all-new model car when it first comes out?

[Dark]

I'm going to get it on the 2nd or maybe 3rd year (if Turbo version comes out at that time)of releasing because, like many have said, deal mark up price and some issues.

[70NYD]

yes, unless the next gen rx7 comes out/is coming out at the same time or around the same time, in which case i wait. to compare

cars dont allways get better in the 2nd or 3rd release, sometimes they get much worse. some things get dropped (possibly important things to some ppl), some things get put in (possibly useless things to some ppl) SAE guidlines might change in the way that the previous cars body isnt "safe" enough so they have to make it heavier/more expensive.. emmisions regulations might change so that the car has less power. all these things are a factor in my opinion

[Franisco]

S2000 and SW20 MR2s had different front sway bars in later production models. Too many people killing themselves..go figure

[futureOwner]

I know that i wont be able to wait to buy one. They will obviously change stuff over the years, but with new technology it will most likely be very reliable right from the start. Plus, ill be one of first owners, which is a perk.

[NESW20]

Originally Posted by Franisco

S2000 and SW20 MR2s had different front sway bars in later production models. Too many people killing themselves..go figure

the 93+ MR2s have completely different rear suspensions than the 91/92 cars. note that i never said "better"... i believe there are also sway bar differences, but the main change came with the rear suspension design.

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I think they will try work out all the faults before its released. They wouldnt want a whole lot of recalls that would put more people off Toyota again.

[RRnold]

Originally Posted by 70NYD

cars dont allways get better in the 2nd or 3rd release, sometimes they get much worse. some things get dropped (possibly important things to some ppl), some things get put in (possibly useless things to some ppl) SAE guidlines might change in the way that the previous cars body isnt "safe" enough so they have to make it heavier/more expensive.. emmisions regulations might change so that the car has less power. all these things are a factor in my opinion

You are probably talking about model generation but not model years. I've never seen a vehicle get worse!?! For Toyotas (here in the US), most of the changes are minor and usually cosmetic.

[whaap]

It's probably not bad advice if time is not a factor. I always suspect they hold back a few of their better design ideas so they can include them in the second edition. Having said that, I will probably jump on it as soon as it comes out. I do think I'll run into a problem though. Many dealers on brand new models jack up the prices knowing there are people that want to be the first on their block with their car. I will not pay over MSRP.

[Franisco]

Originally Posted by NESW20

the 93+ MR2s have completely different rear suspensions than the 91/92 cars. note that i never said "better"... i believe there are also sway bar differences, but the main change came with the rear suspension design.

Hm, didn't know that. They changed the ARBs to help prevent snap-oversteer, correct?

[futureOwner]

Originally Posted by RRnold

You are probably talking about model generation but not model years. I've never seen a vehicle get worse!?! For Toyotas (here in the US), most of the changes are minor and usually cosmetic.

I know for a fact that they stopped importing 300zx's into the US because they couldn't meet the emissions standards anymore. Japan's emission standards were higher so they continued production until 1999. I also think that the last US model (1996) only had 280 stock HP compared the 300 from the earlier models. I don''t think that emission standards are going to be raised now though, not anymore.

[NESW20]

Originally Posted by Franisco

Hm, didn't know that. They changed the ARBs to help prevent snap-oversteer, correct?

they changed the entire rear suspension to cause more understeer, basically. this is because people don't know how to drive mid-engine cars. i believe the ARBs are different, but the main change was to put in longer rear toe rods to reduce toe out on turns in the rear.

it's debated quite a bit which cars handle better, but i have no problems with my 91 because i know what i'm doing behind the wheel.

[Franisco]

Originally Posted by NESW20

they changed the entire rear suspension to cause more understeer, basically. this is because people don't know how to drive mid-engine cars. i believe the ARBs are different, but the main change was to put in longer rear toe rods to reduce toe out on turns in the rear.

it's debated quite a bit which cars handle better, but i have no problems with my 91 because i know what i'm doing behind the wheel.

Interesting

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by NESW20

they changed the entire rear suspension to cause more understeer, basically. this is because people don't know how to drive mid-engine cars. i believe the ARBs are different, but the main change was to put in longer rear toe rods to reduce toe out on turns in the rear.

it's debated quite a bit which cars handle better, but i have no problems with my 91 because i know what i'm doing behind the wheel.

Now the question is, having had this past experience and seeing as Honda did something similar with the S2K: Will the first FT/R-86/S be pre-dumbed down handling-wise, and we will have to wait for a performance revision (or after-market fix)?

[70NYD]

im gonna say aftermarket fix.. im pretty sure that it is a unwritten SAE rule to make cars that tend to understeer more so than oversteer