Brakes. Buy from dealer? What else to replace? - Page 3 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Tristor · 09-10-2019, 11:34 PM

One last thing, all of the above part numbers are not for the PP Brembos. They require a different rotor and pad. Based on this and your other threads, I believe you have the normal brakes and not the PP Brembos on your BRZ. If you do have the PP Brembos I can give you correct part numbers.

GrantedTaken · 09-11-2019, 08:09 AM

Sorry. I've been trying to engage in this thread from work, on my phone. I'm missing bits of detail provided. When I get home from work on Thursday, I'll check everything out on ROCK with my PC.

As for brake feel, I think my pads are getting low anyway, and I always replace scored/lipped rotors while I'm in there.. since cheap.. If there is no improvement in brake feel, I still need to replace. But let's see.

LancePower · 09-11-2019, 10:30 AM

+1 for the TRD pads. I really like them. Initial bite was much improved.

venturaII · 09-11-2019, 11:00 AM

Best thread in a long time.

Tristor · 09-12-2019, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by GrantedTaken

Sorry. I've been trying to engage in this thread from work, on my phone. I'm missing bits of detail provided. When I get home from work on Thursday, I'll check everything out on ROCK with my PC.

As for brake feel, I think my pads are getting low anyway, and I always replace scored/lipped rotors while I'm in there.. since cheap.. If there is no improvement in brake feel, I still need to replace. But let's see.

It certainly won't hurt to replace them, especially since the rotors are already lipped. After you replace them bleed your brakes using the two-person method, bed them in sufficiently, and then bleed a second time. Usually I find that the ABS and brake booster systems can sometimes hold air at the top of the system but it can be pushed down with sufficient repeated hard braking, which can be part of bedding. That second bleeding usually fully evacuates any air from the system.

If bleeding isn't sufficient, the only way to make them any harder might be stainless steel lines and a master cylinder brace, both of which will reduce "slop" in the pedal. The brakes in this platform have a lot of take-up with easy travel before they feel hard /even when brakes are being applied/ because of the way the electronic brake assist works. It kind of annoys me too. With some BBKs you get much harder brake pedal due to piston sizing, but they wouldn't be suitable for primarily street driving.

Generally though, bleeding properly should get you where you need to be.

GrantedTaken · 09-12-2019, 07:25 PM

Maybe I will consider some "performance" non-track pads that have a little more bite than OEM.
If OEM pads last 70k miles, maybe they are designed to have less friction.
I am willing to trade lifespan for more sacrificial pad that translates to harder bite.

Spuds · 09-12-2019, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by venturaII

Best thread in a long time.

Did you miss this one?

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136737

venturaII · 09-13-2019, 08:31 AM

Yeah, I saw it as well...I tried to give the benefit of a doubt though since it was just the General forum, and there's all sorts of nonsense posted there. I tend to stick to more topic-specific forums usually...better info and generally a higher degree of knowledge/experience. At least, I thought so until now...

wparsons · 09-13-2019, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantedTaken

Maybe I will consider some "performance" non-track pads that have a little more bite than OEM.
If OEM pads last 70k miles, maybe they are designed to have less friction.
I am willing to trade lifespan for more sacrificial pad that translates to harder bite.

Initial bite != a firm pedal... are you after a lot of bite with minimal pedal pressure, or do you want a firm pedal (or both)?

wparsons · 09-13-2019, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spuds

Did you miss this one?

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=136737

Wow.

Summerwolf · 09-13-2019, 01:43 PM

Rockauto probably only lists them as "daily driver" because they're not the "performance brand" that is slotted or drilled.

EBC has always done well by me across multiple platforms and I've had good luck with hawk as well, but all the advice in this thread is on point.

Rather than question the forum the same thing in multiple ways, why not use google and get a variety of experiences across the board with the names and products. Stoptech is a pretty big name and so is centric to have not heard of either.

mav1178 · 09-13-2019, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GrantedTaken

While not a pro, I probably have more DIY experience and more tools than the average body kit ricer on this forum.

yet you think the factory brakes on this platform is the "worst design ever".

you're not a pro but you're also not far from the ricers you're hating on.

mav1178 · 09-13-2019, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GrantedTaken

So premium centric and stoptech are considered legit? They're not some cheap Chinese eBay AutoZone garbage? I mostly own German cars, so these other brands are new to me. Zimmerman, sebro, etc.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joon525

100% legit.

Centric and Stoptech are 100% legit..... and made in China. not like anyone cares other than "oh this is made in this country so it must be crap"

finch1750 · 09-13-2019, 09:58 PM

For fuck sake just Google Centric if you dont believe the "ricers" here. These are the same rotors recommend by most people that track since they are quality and cheap

They are one of the biggest brake companies around.

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GrantedTaken Banned Join Date: Nov 2017 Drives: BRZ Location: The Sun Posts: 428 Thanks: 30 Thanked 230 Times in 113 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Sorry. I've been trying to engage in this thread from work, on my phone. I'm missing bits of detail provided. When I get home from work on Thursday, I'll check everything out on ROCK with my PC. As for brake feel, I think my pads are getting low anyway, and I always replace scored/lipped rotors while I'm in there.. since cheap.. If there is no improvement in brake feel, I still need to replace. But let's see.

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GrantedTaken Banned Join Date: Nov 2017 Drives: BRZ Location: The Sun Posts: 428 Thanks: 30 Thanked 230 Times in 113 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Maybe I will consider some "performance" non-track pads that have a little more bite than OEM. If OEM pads last 70k miles, maybe they are designed to have less friction. I am willing to trade lifespan for more sacrificial pad that translates to harder bite.

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