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Old 03-13-2018, 04:29 PM   #29
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Unless I missed something in my limited research, stock k24s made like 205hp at the crank...
You're correct - I saw the S2000 transmission being used and started mixing F and K motor spec. My bad. That said, it still isn't a bad platform to start with, and the weight reduction is still very real.
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You're correct - I saw the S2000 transmission being used and started mixing F and K motor spec. My bad. That said, it still isn't a bad platform to start with, and the weight reduction is still very real.
Lol I figured that was what was going on. I was thinking the same thing until I looked it up too.

I agree it's a great platform to start from if you eventually plan to do head work. In addition to weight reduction, it also looks to shift the cg rightwards and rearwards, which is good for LHD versions of the twins. Only problem with this setup is moving the cg up vertically by some amount. Low cg was the main benefit of the boxer IMO. (I don't think Subaru knows how to make anything else anyway, so that is probably just an excuse lol).
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. Only problem with this setup is moving the cg up vertically by some amount. Low cg was the main benefit of the boxer IMO. (I don't think Subaru knows how to make anything else anyway, so that is probably just an excuse lol).


True, but it's a higher cg for a lighter motor, and further rearward. Accessories are also lower, so if I had to guess, I'd say it's a wash.
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Lol @ all the people who are worried about the k motor... This is the best swap since the 2j or ls...

A friend sent this to me... Enjoy.

http://www.superstreetonline.com/how...drag-spec-k24/
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How much will the entire swap package cost approximately? 5k like your LS and 2JZ packages?
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Old 03-14-2018, 10:37 PM   #34
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What ECU will be used?

Any other options besides pricey Motec??

Would it be possible for Pure to collab with the K-Miata guys for an A/C kit for this swap??
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Why not use the 5 speed bmw trans that are being used in Miatas?

This swap has my happy. If my FA blows, this is a possibility. My friends EK mad 240whp on e85 with a K24, and all "oem" honda parts inside. No aftermarket cams,and a meh header.
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Why not use the 5 speed bmw trans that are being used in Miatas?

This swap has my happy. If my FA blows, this is a possibility. My friends EK mad 240whp on e85 with a K24, and all "oem" honda parts inside. No aftermarket cams,and a meh header.
the s2k trans seems to be the cheapest route and is fine for what most people would do. Maybe if we get a build or this build turns into a boosted application we can make more options available. At this point just trying to get it up and running for the most reasonable price that it can. From there, the possibilities are endless.

we are working on a new way to drive the ecu cost down. there's still a fair amount of r&d that needs to be done but it is in progress starting with our current 2j vvti car. once that's sorted out, the same setup will be adapted to the K/F20 setup
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the s2k trans seems to be the cheapest route and is fine for what most people would do. Maybe if we get a build or this build turns into a boosted application we can make more options available. At this point just trying to get it up and running for the most reasonable price that it can. From there, the possibilities are endless.

we are working on a new way to drive the ecu cost down. there's still a fair amount of r&d that needs to be done but it is in progress starting with our current 2j vvti car. once that's sorted out, the same setup will be adapted to the K/F20 setup
Guessing issues are linked with getting all the interior stuff figured out. Could get cheaper if it was a full race car with no oem stuff to worry about?

Ive debated selling my brz limited, cause its a heavy pig and making a race car out of a wrecked or stolen car.
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Guessing issues are linked with getting all the interior stuff figured out. Could get cheaper if it was a full race car with no oem stuff to worry about?

Ive debated selling my brz limited, cause its a heavy pig and making a race car out of a wrecked or stolen car.


Did this guy just openly say he'd use a stolen car?
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Maybe use a aem infinity? Like what prime did
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Maybe use a aem infinity? Like what prime did
Nothing oem works. If none of the oem features work, we don't want to use it. AEM and Haltech had no desire to work with us and we have been asking them for well over two years at this point so their loss. We are playing with another ecu that is very capable, but at this point we still have a lot to do software wise.
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Guessing issues are linked with getting all the interior stuff figured out. Could get cheaper if it was a full race car with no oem stuff to worry about?

Ive debated selling my brz limited, cause its a heavy pig and making a race car out of a wrecked or stolen car.
you can make almost any ecu work if you don't care about controlling factory features. Our first LS swap years ago was like that. Car sucked to drive without power steering and had to do some ghetto wiring to control the fans, fuel pump, etc. Also never had a full functioning gauge cluster so that was difficult on trips.
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I'm guessing you're messing with EMTRON then. Only other ECU that has open Canbus and is known to work. Proefi has a locked canbus and wouldn't work on our local 2j swap
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