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View Poll Results: How many 86 owners are planning on getting the Supra?
I'm definitely getting one 20 13.16%
I might get one if they offer a MT 60 39.47%
No, not me. 72 47.37%
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Old 04-27-2019, 09:51 AM   #1037
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The design is sound; air is blown at the centre of the brake rotor.

I only have anecdotal data to comment on the effectiveness. I have seen impact marks from road debris on the scooped part of the dust shield. The duct also blows a lot of water at the brake rotor when driving on the highway in the rain. Water on the brake rotor makes the top of the pedal stroke ineffective at slowing the car during the first brake application after a long rainy cruise at speed. I have experienced this wet rotor effect on all cars I've driven; but it is most pronounced on the BMW.

On my BMW 228i, in addition to the brake cooling duct and the heat exchanger inside the wheel well. There is a third duct outlet that is tall and narrow beside the heat exchanger; where the bumper cover meets the wheel well liner. I think this duct is used to blow air out the front of the wheel well and around the front of the tire. This curtain of air is probably used to reduce the wake of turbulent air generated by the rotating front tire to reduce drag.

BMW has put a lot of thought into managing the air in the front wheel wells. It probably cost a lot to develop all of these feature so it is unlikely they would be completely useless.

My 228i has opposed piston fixed calipers front and rear; but I don't like the brake pedal feel. The top of the pedal travel has too much brake booster assist, has very little feel/feedback making it tricky to modulate. During track driving I found the lack of feel is more of a problem when releasing the brake pedal as opposed to applying it. Applying the brakes in a braking zone I can quickly apply the brake pedal past the top part of the pedal travel and slow the car effectively. However releasing the pedal and reducing the brake force smoothly through the top part of the pedal travel is difficult to do because of the lack of feedback/feel. I prefer the pedal feel and feedback in my FR-S (floating calipers all around) much more. The Supra will only have fixed calipers in the front paired with floating calipers in the rear. Forgoing the rear fixed calipers is either a cost savings measure or there is no benefit in terms of feel/feedback to justify having them. In a couple Supra prototype drive reviews I read the authors did say they disliked the brake pedal feel.

I know its difficult without a before/after, but did you notice effectiveness of air flow cooling during hot laps ?

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I know its difficult without a before/after, but did you notice effectiveness of air flow cooling during hot laps ?

No.
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Old 04-30-2019, 01:33 AM   #1039
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2020 Toyota Supra Turbo-Four Model Is Coming to the U.S.???

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Old 04-30-2019, 04:47 AM   #1040
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^ so even the 4-cylinder won't come in a manual. Unless someone is really desperate to have a MKV Supra, I would think they would just save up a little more and get the 6. Or they actually plan on swapping the engines...
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^ so even the 4-cylinder won't come in a manual. Unless someone is really desperate to have a MKV Supra, I would think they would just save up a little more and get the 6. Or they actually plan on swapping the engines...
I think the 4 cylinder version will do very well here if they can price it right. I think some people might stretch their budget of 25-35k to 40k if it means getting a chance to own a Supra. It will be strange if it comes with less horsepower than the 86 though.
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Old 04-30-2019, 11:11 AM   #1042
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Not gonna lie, I would love to see 4 cylinder Supra come to US. What Tada-san claim, 4 cylinder ver (B46) have a true 50/50 F/R weight ratio... vs 6 cylinder ver (B58) is a bit front heavy. Adding the driver into the calculation makes it 50/50. (it might vary w driver weight) So it would be interesting to see which 50/50 F/R weight ratio is ideal for new Supra.

Also main test driver for new Supra claim, if he had a choice between 4 cyl or 6 cyl, he would choose 4 cyl. What's that mean? Not really sure but he was one of the student of Naruse, (who was the master driver for A80 Supra) so pretty sure he know things or two bout the Supra.
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Old 05-01-2019, 12:57 AM   #1043
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Four-Cylinder Supra Gets Certified, But Toyota Says No Plans For U.S. “At This Point”

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While the document suggests the 2.0-liter engine could be offered in the US-spec Supra, Toyota downplayed this possibility in statements to Jalopnik and Road & Track. As a spokesperson explained, “BMW took steps to certify an engine for a variety of uses” and “at this point, Toyota’s plans for the Supra in the U.S. include only the 3.0-liter inline-six that will be in the 2020 Supra when it goes on sale this summer.”
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Old 05-03-2019, 07:20 PM   #1044
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one of the student of Naruse, (who was the master driver for A80 Supra) so pretty sure he know things or two bout the Supra.
See this is what I don't get. If Naruse is as good as legend claims to be in car tuning, why is that everytime I ask past Toyota sports car owners they always tell me the stock tuning is no good being too soft and GT like? Blame it on the committee? Lotus was proven too hardcore for them during the early 80's? Too much to handle for the target upmarket buyer since that time?

Then there's the western marketing team that wouldn't know how to sell a 4 cylinder Supra that apparently makes 3 hp less while weighing a ton more than the 86 for more money. The arm chair sports car enthusiasts on the interweb would surely disapprove such a product at the first keystroke.

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I don’t believe the spokesperson. It’ll be a later release but they will probably sell the 4 cylinder. The 30i Z4 is $15k cheaper than the 40i, so maybe $35k for the Supra. I would definitely consider the Supra over a used Cayman at that price.
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Old 05-04-2019, 10:37 AM   #1046
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I'm more interested in the 4 cylinder than the 6. Less weight, better distributed, lower less $$$, likely tunable for plenty of power because turbo.

However I still think a cab-rearward 2-seater built on the FT86 platform with a 300+hp Lexus V6 would make a cooler sports car while filling a niche no one is even trying to fill at the moment...
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Old 05-04-2019, 08:44 PM   #1047
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I'm more interested in the 4 cylinder than the 6. Less weight, better distributed, lower less $$$, likely tunable for plenty of power because turbo.
I wouldn't say, it's more tune-able than B58. Both B46 & B58 have so much potential for power. B58 can handle up to 600PS safely, as for B46... not 100% I didn't ask Tada-san on that one. If you wanna see big numbers, def go w B58.

RZ, SZ-R & SZ all are 1,000,000 yen difference (roughly $10k). Let's say Toyota US follow same concept, 3.0 Premium cost $53,990, so we could see 4 cylinder Premium ver at $43,990. 3.0 Base cost $49,990, so we could see base 4 cylinder ver at $39,990. So around $40k~$44k for 255hp/295tq that barely under 3,200lbs. (1,450kg) That price is 370Z, Mustang, Camaro price point.. But they're boat! But they have a lot more power plus MT option.

So in the end, you gotta pick your battle.
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, so we could see base 4 cylinder ver at $39,990. So around $40k~$44k for 355hp/295tq that barely under 3,200lbs.
Why are you using the price of the 4 cylinder, but the horsepower from the 6 cylinder? Am I missing something?
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Why are you using the price of the 4 cylinder, but the horsepower from the 6 cylinder? Am I missing something?
Not 6 cylinder ver... just my fat finger. B58 have 335hp/365tq vs B46 is 255hp/295tq. See the difference? I just accidentally pushed “3” instead of “2”
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I wouldn't say, it's more tune-able than B58. Both B46 & B58 have so much potential for power. B58 can handle up to 600PS safely, as for B46... not 100% I didn't ask Tada-san on that one. If you wanna see big numbers, def go w B58.
I didn't mean to imply the 4 would be any more tuneable, and of course the bigger 6 has much more ultimate power potential. My point is that there's likely potential for 300+ hp in the turbo 4 for relatively little effort/$$$, unlike with an NA car like the 86.

I'm more interested in the 4-cylinder Supra with potential for 300+ hp over the 6-cylinder with potential for 600+ or whatever. I would hope they start out with the 255hp version and not the 194hp one though! At 255hp I might just leave the powerplant alone for a good long while...

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So around $40k~$44k for 255hp/295tq that barely under 3,200lbs. (1,450kg) That price is 370Z, Mustang, Camaro price point.. But they're boat! But they have a lot more power plus MT option.
I hope it does come in under 3200 lb., but just think where weight would be if they built a proper 2-seat cab-rearward sports car on the FT86 platform. Oh well!

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