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I would guess Tesla still makes more per car, but is this a true representation of the money made off a vehicle?
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https://leandesign.com/history-of-lean-design/ While he is a Tesla investor and bull, and that makes him biased for sure, he owns a company that analyzes components to sell reports about how things were built and what it costs, so manufactures can copy these components and/or know what their competition is doing. If he is wrong or is lying then that is very bad for business and the integrity of his products. Quote:
If you are trying to ask which business model provides the most profit for a $50k product, well yes, this article isn't answering that question. It is entirely possible that Tesla is making $10k, all other suppliers are making $5k, and $35k is lost to expenses, but maybe an equivalent ICE car has $2k in manufacture profits, $500 in dealer profits, all the other suppliers are making $20k, and $27.5k is lost to expenses. That would be an interesting study to do to consider the long term industry impacts. You would want to consider the aftermarket industry of exhausts, turbos, superchargers, headers, etc into that calculation too. Ultimately, none of that will stop governments from pushing EVs or manufactures from switching to a similar business model, especially if Tesla has the profits to innovate faster or to drop the prices beyond the competition.
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@Irace86.2.0 that all makes sense. It would also be interesting to know if Tesla's very profitable business of selling environmental "credits" is included in this. Basically, is it just the selling price of a single unit minus "real cost of building a unit" or is it the corporations profits divided by the number of cars sold.
In the end, the "old school" way of selling cars and making a profit is very different than the Tesla model. I'm not really sure you can do a direct and accurate comparison between them.
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I’m very much against the selling of carbon credits. It is hypocritical of Tesla to sell carbon credits in light of their mission statement “to accelerate the world's transition to sustainable energy.” Seems like they are just enabling the further existence of ICE vehicles, but saying no to $1.7 billion in carbon credit sales would also be a hard pill to swallow and difficult to explain to investors, so in that respect, I’m not surprised. Maybe people who love their ICE vehicles should be thanking Tesla. Although, paying Tesla carbon credits in order to avoid steeper fines is probably not a sustainable business model. It probably could work for Ferrari, but not for direct competitors, so bolstering green companies regardless probably still has the same effects over time. It just seems dirty. Even if it is not an apples to apples comparison, I’m sure someone at the corporate financial analysis department is doing their best to come up with an accurate analysis to make sure the company won’t be rendered obsolete or be missing opportunities for growth/profit.
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Having followed the war in Ukraine for the last year plus, the cyber truck resembles an APC or a tank in how everything is angled to reduce direct horizontal impact.
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A 4-people interview on Top Gear with Mate Rimac, Christian von Koenigsegg, Gordon Murray and John Hennessey, they had a question about Elon Musk. Somewhat relevant here :-)
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New Model 3 front looks much better. The current headlights are a gripe of most people.
Giant windshield wiper on the Cybertruck seems ripe for ripping off by EV haters, I predict.
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New front end has some promise to get past my objections to the external of the Model 3. The compact car looks promising too. Still, very unlikely I'll ever get past the interior design.
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I'm going to start a business that supplies stick-on grills for electric vehicles. To me, Teslas look like they have a duck bill.
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God i hate the entire "Samey" trend that is plaguing the current car design....... Every car is moving towards that "double ultrawide screen" interior and no more physical buttons so they all look the same except for interior shapes. Every exterior seems to have to have "full width slit light bar that connects the headlights" front end.....especially EV's. Or it looks like some variation of a Tesla..... Removing grilles seems to indicate that grilles were largely responsible for differentiating exterior front fascias lol. |
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