2020 Toyota GR Supra Revealed!

[abraxis]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Why do you have a problem with...facts?

V6 Camaro coupe weighs 3339 lb. V8 SS starts at 3685 lb.

Would I buy either? Probably not, I have no interest in big heavy cars. But at least quote the real figures, lest you confuse others.

I don't actually once you comprehend the difference between 'Accuracy' and 'Precision'. I thought all the zeroes I used would have given away which I was going for....

I can tell you who does have a problem with facts. Companies like GM and many others who have been known to quote dry weight as curb weight for certain models to hide how lardass their cars are getting. I have neither the time or inclination to research and post every possible model variant and hunt down 3rd party confirmation via video corner weighting and scales. In the end, a fatass car that's 3800lbs isn't that different from a fatass car that's 3685lbs. If being pedantic to support a distinction without a difference makes one feel warm and fuzzy, more power to them.

I do find it amusing though to specify exact curb weights as a defense that the Camaro is a balanced handling machine and then conclude that it's too big and heavy anyway. That's where the accuracy bit of my whole argument comes in.

Hope that clears up your confusion.

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Personally, I love the rear 3/4 and butt. Those pronounced haunches are borderline car porn to me. Also, if one were to cite the source for the tear drop rear canopy tapering to the trunk they have to go back to the 60's corvette stingray (oh shit, I didn't pick a specific year, people will be confused...). The irony is that was designed by Larry Shinoda, a Japanese American. So that makes the old Corvette Stingray a rebadged Toyota!

I like the front for the F1 style look but definitely preferred the original concept. No idea about any functional costs benefits to the original concepts look tho....

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by krayzie

Everytime I read online how people from the states complain about MSRP, they don't realized how good they already have it as cars are quite inexpensive compare to a lot of other places around the world.

For some countries sure, but a lot of those countries (that are more expensive than the US with cars) have nobody to blame but their governments.

Originally Posted by abraxis

I don't actually once you comprehend the difference between 'Accuracy' and 'Precision'. I thought all the zeroes I used would have given away which I was going for....

I can tell you who does have a problem with facts. Companies like GM and many others who have been known to quote dry weight as curb weight for certain models to hide how lardass their cars are getting. I have neither the time or inclination to research and post every possible model variant and hunt down 3rd party confirmation via video corner weighting and scales. In the end, a fatass car that's 3800lbs isn't that different from a fatass car that's 3685lbs. If being pedantic to support a distinction without a difference makes one feel warm and fuzzy, more power to them.

I do find it amusing though to specify exact curb weights as a defense that the Camaro is a balanced handling machine and then conclude that it's too big and heavy anyway. That's where the accuracy bit of my whole argument comes in.

Hope that clears up your confusion.

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Personally, I love the rear 3/4 and butt. Those pronounced haunches are borderline car porn to me. Also, if one were to cite the source for the tear drop rear canopy tapering to the trunk they have to go back to the 60's corvette stingray (oh shit, I didn't pick a specific year, people will be confused...). The irony is that was designed by Larry Shinoda, a Japanese American. So that makes the old Corvette Stingray a rebadged Toyota!

I like the front for the F1 style look but definitely preferred the original concept. No idea about any functional costs benefits to the original concepts look tho....

I agree and take issue with companies trying to pass off dry weights as curb weights. It's crap, and the most famous example of that is Ferrari. However I haven't noticed it with GM (much, if at all). I usually go off of the test weights measured by car magazines.

[RFB]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The big problem when comparing prices is people only look at the dollar value of the product. It isn't that simple and prices can not be compared in isolation of all other factors. There are many things that impact prices in different countries and the dollar value of products reflect these. We do not pay more for cars in Canada when you consider such things as cost of living and mean income. In fact even though our dollar value appears higher we actually pay considerably less for things than they do in the USA. It seems like we pay more but we also make more so it all balances out.

In Kanada our dollar is usually down up to 30 percent and has one of the highest personal income, sales, gas, etc. taxes in the world.
Kommie Kanada even charges tax on tax !
Balance out ?
Maybe for rich people.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by RFB

In Kanada our dollar is usually down up to 30 percent and has one of the highest personal income, sales, gas, etc. taxes in the world.
Kommie Kanada even charges tax on tax !
Balance out ?
Maybe for rich people.

Doesn't matter what exchange rate is. In Canada a dollar is a dollar it doesn't go up and down.
And no our taxes are not some of the highest in the world. Just seems like it.

[new2subaru]

Originally Posted by RFB

In Kanada our dollar is usually down up to 30 percent and has one of the highest personal income, sales, gas, etc. taxes in the world.
Kommie Kanada even charges tax on tax !
Balance out ?
Maybe for rich people.

It may seem that way but no. We're around the middle.

[RFB]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Doesn't matter what exchange rate is. In Canada a dollar is a dollar it doesn't go up and down.
And no our taxes are not some of the highest in the world. Just seems like it.

Our tax watchdog service disagrees with you .
But this debate is for another forum !

[vh_supra26]

US Launch Edition Supras on their way to the States.

https://www.supramkv.com/threads/us-...es.1516/page-2

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[nikitopo]

Zupra :b

[Atmo]

Originally Posted by vh_supra26

US Launch Edition Supras on their way to the States.

Disappointed to see them on open vs. closed transporters for the 750-mile leg to Zeebrugge.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Atmo

Disappointed to see them on open vs. closed transporters for the 750-mile leg to Zeebrugge.

$50-60k car. What were you expecting? They have the standard film protection on the horizontal panels. I can't imagine there being crazy amounts of bugs anyways with the cab and cars the way they are.

[Atmo]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

$50-60k car. What were you expecting? They have the standard film protection on the horizontal panels. I can't imagine there being crazy amounts of bugs anyways with the cab and cars the way they are.

I guess you've never seen how all Toyotas and Lexus vehicles produced in North America starting under $20K are transported from factories to POE's in the US inside enclosed transporters or rail cars? It isn't "bugs" the vertical surfaces are being protected from in the enclosed transporters, it's forms of metallic dust and industrial fallout that can etch into the topcoat that requires an extra step to remove during PDS.

It usually goes unnoticed by typical buyers walking the dealership lots at in-stock units, but someone said all 1,500 Launch Editions are sold out so a patiently waiting buyer might be distressed to learn that their car needed extra PDS time for detailing prior to delivery that could've been avoided during enclosed transport.

That's why dealerships have designated inspectors to check each vehicle arriving off the truck for damage, theft or vandalism. Repairs are billed back to Toyota or the trucking company.

Toyota Logistics Services reports a damage incidence rate <1%, the lowest in the industry, partly due to enclosed shipping from factories to POE's along with port traffic patterns and visibility rules.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Atmo

Disappointed to see them on open vs. closed transporters for the 750-mile leg to Zeebrugge.

I don't think its uncommon.....

Cars get shipped here by train. But they still need to get onto those transporters to the final destination.

They're all contaminated with crap on the surface that needs to either be clay bar'd off or be removed with this acid spray solution (or both if the acid spray doesn't take it all off).

I used to work as a detailer at a BMW dealership (And Toyota, and Land Rover as well)

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Atmo

I guess you've never seen how all Toyotas and Lexus vehicles produced in North America starting under $20K are transported from factories to POE's in the US inside enclosed transporters or rail cars? It isn't "bugs" the vertical surfaces are being protected from in the enclosed transporters, it's forms of metallic dust and industrial fallout that can etch into the topcoat that requires an extra step to remove during PDS.

It usually goes unnoticed by typical buyers walking the dealership lots at in-stock units, but someone said all 1,500 Launch Editions are sold out so a patiently waiting buyer might be distressed to learn that their car needed extra PDS time for detailing prior to delivery that could've been avoided during enclosed transport.

That's why dealerships have designated inspectors to check each vehicle arriving off the truck for damage, theft or vandalism. Repairs are billed back to Toyota or the trucking company.

Toyota Logistics Services reports a damage incidence rate <1%, the lowest in the industry, partly due to enclosed shipping from factories to POE's along with port traffic patterns and visibility rules.

They are not exactly million dollar exotics. I passed an open truck load of Jaguars the other day. I see top of the line Corvettes on the highway weekly. I also work right beside the Toyota plant in Woodstock and every single car coming out of there is on an open trailer so not sure where you got the idea they are all enclosed.

[chipmunk]

Every single dealer I know cleans, washes and details the car right before selling. Unless you have a rock chip dinging pretty bad and deforming the metal (should be obvious before buying), there's nothing to be concerned about. I think they use such dinged up cars as loaners