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Old 03-20-2018, 10:14 PM   #57
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Same old bullshit rhetoric. There is one year that has a marginally faster 0 to 60 and that could be wiped out by driver skill. All the others are far slower.
I'm very skeptical about the quarter mile time listed for the BRZ. I have never heard of a stock BRZ running a 14.6 quarter.

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I don't remember criticizing it for being slow.
I think it's stupid to criticize the 86 for being slow. That actually HAS happened in the last two pages.
No but you criticized the Camaro for only have 6 cylinders.
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Old 03-21-2018, 08:07 AM   #58
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I'm very skeptical about the quarter mile time listed for the BRZ. I have never heard of a stock BRZ running a 14.6 quarter.



No but you criticized the Camaro for only have 6 cylinders.
I did?
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The Camaro can be summed up as follows: crazy capable chassis and fantastic engines; terrible ergonomics. If they would build a 3/4 scale Camaro with a lower belt line, I would be all over it. I don't need the SS and was perfectly happy with the V6 and performance exhaust.
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Old 03-21-2018, 11:36 AM   #60
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The Camaro can be summed up as follows: crazy capable chassis and fantastic engines; terrible ergonomics. If they would build a 3/4 scale Camaro with a lower belt line, I would be all over it. I don't need the SS and was perfectly happy with the V6 and performance exhaust.
This ^ sums up my thoughts completely.
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I personally see the Mx5 twins and the 86 twins as the only entry level sports cars under 30k. One is a modern version of what the 240z was and the other a modern version of british roadsters. Camaro V6 to me is a entry level GT and I think because people confuse the 2 they expect the 86 to have the same power. That's like expecting a Cayman S to be as fast as a Camaro ZL1 just because they are the same money. The Cayman is a HP sports car vs the ZL1 being a HP GT. The sports cars are generally smaller, lighter, sharper and lower than the GT equivalents and most times have lesser power but a really good balance of weight/power.
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This ^ sums up my thoughts completely.
I will also add that GM needs to knock it off with the stupidly large wheels. The ATS-V and CTS VSport both have 19s and I am sure a hot V6 Camaro would be perfectly capable with brakes sized for 17s or 18s. The massive 20 inch wheels make no sense, especially for those they target with the V6 1LE. I have a feeling that a lot of Camaro SS owners who bought it as a budget M3 slayer are in for a big surprise when it comes time to pay for consumables.
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I will also add that GM needs to knock it off with the stupidly large wheels. The ATS-V and CTS VSport both have 19s and I am sure a hot V6 Camaro would be perfectly capable with brakes sized for 17s or 18s. The massive 20 inch wheels make no sense, especially for those they target with the V6 1LE. I have a feeling that a lot of Camaro SS owners who bought it as a budget M3 slayer are in for a big surprise when it comes time to pay for consumables.
I don't think that's an issue unless you dislike the aesthetics. Most people at the track, especially those that go regularly, have a dedicated set of wheels.
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I personally see the Mx5 twins and the 86 twins as the only entry level sports cars under 30k. One is a modern version of what the 240z was and the other a modern version of british roadsters.
86 is modern version of S13 240SX. Alas, there is no modern 240Z
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I don't think that's an issue unless you dislike the aesthetics. Most people at the track, especially those that go regularly, have a dedicated set of wheels.
Sure, it makes sense if you went with a base V6 or 1SS; however, the 1LEs come with 20" forged wheels. That is a gargantuan waste of money to have sitting there for daily driving wheels. It still also doesn't negate the fact that 20" tires are substantially more expensive to replace, even if it is every 3 - 4 years.
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Sure, it makes sense if you went with a base V6 or 1SS; however, the 1LEs come with 20" forged wheels. That is a gargantuan waste of money to have sitting there for daily driving wheels. It still also doesn't negate the fact that 20" tires are substantially more expensive to replace, even if it is every 3 - 4 years.
I looked at selling my BRZ and getting a mustang or Camaro. Saw what consumables cost, and decided to just get better driving the car with less power.
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I looked at selling my BRZ and getting a mustang or Camaro. Saw what consumables cost, and decided to just get better driving the car with less power.
What's the difference?
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I will also add that GM needs to knock it off with the stupidly large wheels. The ATS-V and CTS VSport both have 19s and I am sure a hot V6 Camaro would be perfectly capable with brakes sized for 17s or 18s. The massive 20 inch wheels make no sense, especially for those they target with the V6 1LE. I have a feeling that a lot of Camaro SS owners who bought it as a budget M3 slayer are in for a big surprise when it comes time to pay for consumables.
For that exact reason the Cadillac CTS-V comes equipped with 19 inch wheels, not 20s (available on other trim packages). It's about performance above all else.

It would be nice if other manufacturers took that more seriously (looking at you Honda, with 19s and 20s on your Civic performance models. )
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What's the difference?
Tires and wheels where double the price. Pads and rotors were more expensive. Not to mention the more powerful and heavier car would eat them quicker. There was some more items too, can't remember them all.
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Tires and wheels where double the price. Pads and rotors were more expensive. Not to mention the more powerful and heavier car would eat them quicker. There was some more items too, can't remember them all.
Is that the SS? Did a quick estimate for the V6 1LE:

4x 275/40ZR18 Hankook RS4 $870

4x 18x9.5" Enkei RPF1 $1200 (just for sake of comparison to common 86 wheel, I will likely get Apex wheels)

4x G-Loc R10 $400

4x TireRack plain rotors $360

Not too bad assuming the V6 1LE has adequately sized brakes and tires for track longevity. It will not do as much braking compared to cars like the SS and M2. I think tires and brake pads are a bit under half of my total track costs.
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