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03-20-2018, 10:14 PM | #57 | |
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The Camaro can be summed up as follows: crazy capable chassis and fantastic engines; terrible ergonomics. If they would build a 3/4 scale Camaro with a lower belt line, I would be all over it. I don't need the SS and was perfectly happy with the V6 and performance exhaust.
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I personally see the Mx5 twins and the 86 twins as the only entry level sports cars under 30k. One is a modern version of what the 240z was and the other a modern version of british roadsters. Camaro V6 to me is a entry level GT and I think because people confuse the 2 they expect the 86 to have the same power. That's like expecting a Cayman S to be as fast as a Camaro ZL1 just because they are the same money. The Cayman is a HP sports car vs the ZL1 being a HP GT. The sports cars are generally smaller, lighter, sharper and lower than the GT equivalents and most times have lesser power but a really good balance of weight/power.
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I will also add that GM needs to knock it off with the stupidly large wheels. The ATS-V and CTS VSport both have 19s and I am sure a hot V6 Camaro would be perfectly capable with brakes sized for 17s or 18s. The massive 20 inch wheels make no sense, especially for those they target with the V6 1LE. I have a feeling that a lot of Camaro SS owners who bought it as a budget M3 slayer are in for a big surprise when it comes time to pay for consumables.
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Sure, it makes sense if you went with a base V6 or 1SS; however, the 1LEs come with 20" forged wheels. That is a gargantuan waste of money to have sitting there for daily driving wheels. It still also doesn't negate the fact that 20" tires are substantially more expensive to replace, even if it is every 3 - 4 years.
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It would be nice if other manufacturers took that more seriously (looking at you Honda, with 19s and 20s on your Civic performance models. )
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4x 275/40ZR18 Hankook RS4 $870 4x 18x9.5" Enkei RPF1 $1200 (just for sake of comparison to common 86 wheel, I will likely get Apex wheels) 4x G-Loc R10 $400 4x TireRack plain rotors $360 Not too bad assuming the V6 1LE has adequately sized brakes and tires for track longevity. It will not do as much braking compared to cars like the SS and M2. I think tires and brake pads are a bit under half of my total track costs. |
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