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03-18-2018, 04:51 AM | #2409 |
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I’ve been trying to figure out how the center of gravity is lower than the 86. Does the car sit lower? Did they add weight low in the vehicle like using an iron block? Maybe a dry sump?
Also, the 50/50 ratio. Is this measured with a driver or without? I recall someone here who weighed their 86 with and without himself in the car and found the weight distribution 50/50 or 51/49 or something. Isn’t it more important where the weight is than if it is 50/50 like if the weight isnt center mass, but rather, at the ends then that isn’t ideal, but the car might be 50/50? |
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I don't think we should need this - but with how thick A-pillars are getting, I think a case could be made for it. Especially as avoiding pedestrian collisions is such a priority.
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This 50/50 weight distribution is most likely a Bimmer marketing thing. I think even the Miata isn't perfectly 50/50 without the driver, even tho the printed ad says so. BTW I asked my physics scientist friend about this new Supra where the engine is taller and narrower than our boxer engine yet with a roof that's lower. He said this overall lower CoG by a small margin could be BS and he would rather have the advantage of the more stable boxer since an engine is heavy. |
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Nothing has a front end like a 911. Know why? Because all the mass is in the back.
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86/BRZ/FRS 53/47 weight distribution explaination @ 5:13 [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHVhaTNRk8E"]2013 Scion FR-S/Toyota 86 Chief Engineer Tetsuya Tada Interview - YouTube[/ame] Fairlady Z/350Z 53/47 weight distribution explaination @ 6:33 [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2KBlta-zu4"]Best Motoring International Vol. 06 - The 350Z Shock - YouTube[/ame] Engine height for the front of the car is definitely a compromise with configuration other than a boxer. The boxer being wider, Subaru flipped the lower A-arm front to back and made the coil spring diameter smaller for better packaging (I think they got this idea from looking at older Porsches). All these stuff were discussed to death ages ago on this forum. Last edited by krayzie; 03-19-2018 at 07:19 PM. |
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For *me*, I wish they made a dedicated 2-seat/hatch version with the engine/trans, firewall/cowl and front-seaters moved about 18" aft. That would give much better weight distribution (and 50/50 *is* "better"). Quote:
Anyway, 50/50 is *not* "perfect". FR cars with decent power to weight are better with rear weight bias. If I could get my 550hp FD to something more like 45F/55R, I would (stuck at 50/50 with driver and 1/2 tank fuel). Quote:
Also, I guarantee the supra's driveshaft, flywheel/clutch, transmission all sit much lower than the 86's. Overall engine/trans c.g. height is probably not that different, and not far from vehicle vertical c.g. location for either. Quote:
And while we're talking about it, look how far FORWARD the boxer engine has to sit: A boxer engine is not ideal for either vertical or fore/aft c.g. location in an FR car... |
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I think you are right on a bunch of your points.
If they had made the 86 a two seater then the engine could have been moved back further like the Corvette or 370z; other FR 2+2 setups like the Camaro or Mustang have engines that are necessarily moved forward. The Corvette’s engine does sit low because it is further back but it is significantly higher than the 86 motor. Remove the AC compressor, alternator and intake manifolds on both vehicles, and it is much more apparent the difference. The LS and LT motors are really compact, so that helps, but the Corvette also has other heavier components down low like their heavier transmission, differential, etc. BMW tries to keep CG low by using a slant six, so I’m guessing the Supra’s two seater setup will allow them to tuck the engine back and low enough. I wonder if there will be an xDrive option. I’m guessing not because tradition. BTW, the curb weight and distribution I have seen is without a driver. I can’t find the thread when the guy weighed himself in the car. I’m curious to know if there would be a significant difference. Obviously the height and weight of the driver will be important variables: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4287 |
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