BRZ or FR-S suspension sucks, but put them together...

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by KoolBRZ

That is why a BRZ has more oversteer than the FR-S,

"while the Scion FR-S is mainly about oversteer and fun. "
http://jalopnik.com/all-the-differen...uba-1250264976

"noting that while the Scion’s is more aggressive and has more oversteer and a sharper turn in while the Subaru BRZ is more balanced and stable."
http://frsbrzperformance.com/tag/fr-s-vs-brz/

"The BRZ isn't just straight up better than the FR-S, however; the BRZ is tuned for a bit of understeer, as Subaru's customers are more likely to be disturbed by oversteer. The Scion, on the other hand, is built with Ken Gushi wannabes in mind. This is a drifter's car."
http://www.complex.com/sports/2012/0...ed_fragment_=#!

"According to Subaru, the FR-S is set up for a firmer ride and an easier transition to oversteer (breaking traction at the back end), while the BRZ is set up to be a little more compliant and a little more neutral. "
http://cars.about.com/od/subaru/fr/2...Brz-Review.htm

"It's easier to wake up the understeer in the BRZ"
Scion FRS (GT86) vs. Subaru BRZ on Track - Everyday Driver
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uf-6rLVeR2o"]Scion FRS (GT86) vs. Subaru BRZ on Track - Everyday Driver - YouTube[/ame]

[themajesticone]

Originally Posted by Shutter

do any of you guys have an issue with your car being becoming fwd if you go in reverse really fast?

Yeah how do you fix that?

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by Shutter

do any of you guys have an issue with your car being becoming fwd if you go in reverse really fast?

Yeah, I find the rear wheel steering a bit twitchy over 40 km/h.

[KoolBRZ]

I'm talking about the soft setup for street-legal purposes. Oversteer with loss of traction is what your quotes are talking about. I'm talking about a 30MPH turn causing lean and being easier to turn because of the effect of the tracking rods. I'm not talking about drifting, or sliding, or skidding. Stiffer coilovers are better suited for those pursuits. I'm only talking about daily driving on the streets in a street-legal manner. For that use, stiffer suspension is acutely uncomfortable.

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by KoolBRZ

Oversteer with loss of traction is what your quotes are talking about.

No, not at all. Nowhere in those articles does it support your statement.
Differing slip angles between front and rear is not loss of traction.

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by KoolBRZ

stiffer suspension is acutely uncomfortable.

You say "stiffer" as though it is either stiff or not. It is not an either/or, black/white argument. One can have higher rate springs and quality damping and still have a more comfortable ride than stock. One can have an uncomfortable ride with any spring rate if the dampers are crap.

[cdrazic93]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

You say "stiffer" as though it is either stiff or not. It is not an either/or, black/white argument. One can have higher rate springs and quality damping and still have a more comfortable ride than stock. One can have an uncomfortable ride with any spring rate if the dampers are crap.

Öhlins, Penske, MCS, JRZ, Moton...can all make your car smooth and still track like a Porsche without grinding your teeth out. @CSG Mike has an S2K with double digit spring rates that he can daily.

[Kostamojen]

Originally Posted by KoolBRZ

I'm talking about the soft setup for street-legal purposes. Oversteer with loss of traction is what your quotes are talking about. I'm talking about a 30MPH turn causing lean and being easier to turn because of the effect of the tracking rods. I'm not talking about drifting, or sliding, or skidding. Stiffer coilovers are better suited for those pursuits. I'm only talking about daily driving on the streets in a street-legal manner. For that use, stiffer suspension is acutely uncomfortable.

You don't know what you are talking about. Your advise has already been refuted (and personally having run both sets of rear springs, I know for a fact your advice is wrong). And stop saying "tracking rods", nobody calls them that.

[cdrazic93]

Originally Posted by KoolBRZ

For that use, stiffer suspension is acutely uncomfortable.

Awhile back, actually on this forum, I was reprimanded in the nicest way possible (because I didnt come across as an all knowing genius) that stiff =/= uncomfortable, by CSG mike and Andy from RCE. I would also take advantage of the questionaire that's been stickied at the top of this subforum, and worth while to ask them these kind of questions as well, most of these instances have popped up in that very thread.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by KoolBRZ

I'm talking about the soft setup for street-legal purposes. Oversteer with loss of traction is what your quotes are talking about. I'm talking about a 30MPH turn causing lean and being easier to turn because of the effect of the tracking rods. I'm not talking about drifting, or sliding, or skidding. Stiffer coilovers are better suited for those pursuits. I'm only talking about daily driving on the streets in a street-legal manner. For that use, stiffer suspension is acutely uncomfortable.

badly matched springs and dampers

[cdrazic93]

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[evan]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

You have purchased a sports car expecting a limousine ride?

We did it in the rental, Lincoln Continental..

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by evan

We did it in the rental, Lincoln Continental..

Because racecar!

[donoman]

The FRS rear suspension is VERY stiff for DD. I don't like it much and will be picking up a set of BRZ shocks asap! Thanks for the advice.

BTW cockroach guy before your panties get in a bunch ill throw the first punch and go out to venture that you've never driven a nice sports car like a 911 or a stock M3.