2014 86CUP Challenge to NorCal with NCRC

[PMok]

Originally Posted by overlookedx

Have you noticed much of a difference with the SS brake lines? I had them on the BRZ, but didn't notice a difference til I put on race pads.. now all I have on the WRX is race pads and am contemplating whether the lines are even worth it.

I noticed the difference, but its not huge. Pedal feel is a bit firmer.
Ever since day one, I felt that the BRZ's brakes felt a little too soft. I did pads first, then MCB and now lines. I'd do one at a time and stop when you feel it's good, some would say do pads and lines first but I felt like MCB was easier to install compared to lines so I tried it first, also do a good bleed.


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[AyJay]

Originally Posted by icemang17

I agree with your assessment 1,000,000% lets be CLEAR.....the FT86 Cup is NOT A RACE...not even close....it IS a time trial....................................

There is a HUGE difference....most of the Ft86 owners are new to driving on a big track...it is worlds different than autox or drifting or spirited street driving (which is illegal)

I suppose we could sit here and split hairs about the semantics of racing/time attack/time trial/etc. but instead of doing so I'll simply say if I'm in a car, with the clock running, trying to beat the time of the next man, then I AM racing. Period.

In my opinion running a time trial is worlds different than wheel to wheel RACING... Lets be perfectly clear....most time trials are conducted during normal DE sessions (typically the highest level, "open" or whatever they call it)....true all out time trials consist of a group warm up period then everyone lines up in the hot pits and get sent out for 2 hot laps with almost zero traffic.....cars are sent out at intervals to allow this...

Ft86 is ran the DE way (meaning during normal DE sessions)....so if you are on a hot lap and a slower driver gets in your way, you are REQUIRED to follow the rules of your run group....if you make an aggressive move and there is an incident...not only are you jeopardizing your lap, you car, the other guys car....you are jeopardizing the future of the Ft86 cup... I cannot be more clear on this.

We are running with NCRC this weekend. The passing rules are very clear for every group. If the corner workers see you violating the rules they will black flag you....and they rarely miss anything. Then you can explain why you are "racing" in a drivers education class to a race official....trust me this is NOT a conversation you want to have.

Are you even addressing me or the lawyers that may read this at some point?
I'm well aware of the loopholes that governing bodies use to execute a time attack series within the framework of a "Driver Education" event.

The moral of my long winding story....don't worry about what you "think" your car can do...or why this or that car passed you since yours is SO much better.... Drive within YOUR limits...since if you exceed your limits the consequences are NEVER worth it.

While I do think this is good advice for average DE participants, I think it loses some of it's meaning for time attack drivers. Most fast drivers will tell you that you have to probe the limits in order to run faster laps. Unfortunately, probing the limits means that you sometimes will have to step over the limit to know where the limit is. Therefore, the consequences are "NEVER" worth it only to the hosting organization and not necessarily the driver. I know I've appreciated every one of my spins and/or offs as a learning experiences that have helped me progress as a driver. I guess it all depends on your perspective.

[finch1750]

Originally Posted by PMok

I noticed the difference, but its not huge. Pedal feel is a bit firmer.
Ever since day one, I felt that the BRZ's brakes felt a little too soft. I did pads first, then MCB and now lines. I'd do one at a time and stop when you feel it's good, some would say do pads and lines first but I felt like MCB was easier to install compared to lines so I tried it first, also do a good bleed.


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I know on stock pads it made a very noticable difference in pedal feel. Im pretty happy with the mcb and ss lines. But will be happier once i get better pads.

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[AyJay]

Originally Posted by overlookedx

Have you noticed much of a difference with the SS brake lines? I had them on the BRZ, but didn't notice a difference til I put on race pads.. now all I have on the WRX is race pads and am contemplating whether the lines are even worth it.

IMO, lines are worth it for safety sake since steel braid is less likely to puncture, crack, decay, etc. but I haven't noticed a performance difference when using them.

There have been cases where rubber lines have been compromised and rendered the user's brake pedal worthless. Obviously, that is bad biz when approaching a corner at 100+mph.

[Clipdat]

I wanted to make it up to Thunder Hill to spectate tomorrow, but it looks like that's not gonna happen unfortunately.

Everyone who will be on the track tomorrow: PLEASE have a safe and enjoyable time. Looking forward to checking out the gopro videos!

[icemang17]

Quick update!!!!! Good turn out and everyone had a great time!!! I managed a decent time in my bone stock FRS, but the highlight of my day was driving Jessies supercharged FRS.....much faster AND much more stable....honestly easier to drive than my stock FRS by a wide margin.... While getting sideways in almost every corner can be fun, it typically isn't fast

I'll let Jessie post the results

[Pwolf]

Great time indeed. Decided to drive up to hang out and it didn't disappoint. Big thanks to @icemang17 for taking me out on the track twice and giving me a bit of a driving lesson as I sat shotgun.

Edit:

I'm forwarding the pictures I took today to @MyRx so he can make a post with the times and such. However, I thought this one was worth sharing right away...



That would be @PMok setting his fastest lap of the day.

[Clipdat]

Looks like he's breaking the god damn sound barrier.

[Pwolf]

Originally Posted by Clipdat

Looks like he's breaking the god damn sound barrier.

Just barely.

[PMok]

Great photo @Pwolf ! can't wait to see the others from today.

Wow after waking up at 3AM to get out to Thunderhill before the break of dawn, driving all day long, and enduring the hot Willows climate, I am finally home and pretty much exhausted. But can't lay down in my sweet cool pillow and rest until I say thank you to @MyRx for making the NorCal 86Cup a reality and thank you to those of you who came out and participated, or even just showed interest in this series. I have lots of video footage and track logging to pore over in the coming days and hopefully find some cool stuff to share. ok G'NIGHT!

[MyRx]

Awesome day! Thanks to all the that participated. Big thanks to the spectators - burgers definitely hit the spot and @Pwolf, you have a PM for the pictures.

Thanks for the instructions and tips @icemang17. The ride alongs in your car and in mine were positively unexpected . Much appreciated the time spent with us - the talks, tips, and ride alongs were an awesome part of our day. The confidence did go up a notch understanding more of the car and capibilites rather than the venue of the day.
@PMok, @Pwolf and crew. Big thanks! It was great having you guys around.

I will post results in the coming days. Pwolf was busy taking pictures, PMok and I have videos to sift thru. Everyone ran great and drove within their limits.

A change in NCRC's handling of the 86Cup participants - we will get more of an oppurtunity to get clean lap(s) but still must be in the Point-By group or higher.

[MyRx]

A 2:11 was achieved yesterday at thill with the bypass in a fairly stock FR-S/BR-Z driven by an experienced S2K racer and the owner in the car. I will confirm the owner's mods but I believe he had only ZIIs. The owner is not online often.

Also, @icemang17 piloted my Vortech FR-S to a 2:13 before we had to pit for CEL. He didn't drive it like he did his stock FR-S and the brakes had too much bite. Granted, if he had more time with the car, he would have utilized the brakes to his advantage. 2:18 in his 100% stock FR-S.

Either way, impressive drivers!!!

[sw20kosh]

Can't wait to join you guys out there soon! =)

[PMok]

still poring through my videos, but thought I'd share this close encounter I had with an FD RX-7 ... he clearly had power to pass me on the straight, but um... yeah the video is self explanatory.

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