Toyota GR SPORTS EV Concept could be an electric MR2 successor / Toyota FT-Se Concept

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

The exterior was all "take my money now!" but the interior is all "nevermind".

Maybe Toyota will have an OC "old cadgers" edition with a real steering wheel, and some buttons in it.

As bigger/Larger grilles seem to have peaked (since they cant get any bigger when the entire fascia is grille), the new trend is more screens. Mercedes is one step closer to the entire car is screen with their EQ lineup of full screen dashes.


Pimp my ride had foreshadowed this trend.

[Ultramaroon]

More touch screens? Noooo!

[Sasquachulator]

I actually dont know if this is "resolved" or a nonissue with current touchscreens....since NOBODY ever seems to talk about it....

But to me the most annoying thing about touchscreens isnt the software, the menus or the lag...

Its the fact in winter THEY DONT WORK WHILE WEARING GLOVES!!!!!

I have to pull off my gloves evertime I have to touch the screen to change the menu....then pull it back on again.

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

But to me the most annoying thing about touchscreens isnt the software, the menus or the lag...

Something I've only seen mentioned a couple of times regarding LCD displays is the potential for reflections/glare. I don't remember seeing any full size instrument displays within a cowling.
Having said that I really like LCD instruments that mimic traditional dials.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

I actually dont know if this is "resolved" or a nonissue with current touchscreens....since NOBODY ever seems to talk about it....

But to me the most annoying thing about touchscreens isnt the software, the menus or the lag...

Its the fact in winter THEY DONT WORK WHILE WEARING GLOVES!!!!!

I have to pull off my gloves evertime I have to touch the screen to change the menu....then pull it back on again.

Bubba says, jest cut the tip of the right index finger of the glove off.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

More touch screens? Noooo!

REALLY!

mrs humfrz new CR-V has a giant touch screen AND the unit has knobs.

THEN it wirelessly hooks up to CarPlay on her new i-phone for another bunch of stuff to mess with.

PLUS there are dozens of controls on the steering wheel and places on the instrument panel that light up with all kinds of pictures.

When I drive her car, I need a co-pilot/navigator.

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by humfrz

REALLY!

mrs humfrz new CR-V has a giant touch screen AND the unit has knobs.

THEN it wirelessly hooks up to CarPlay on her new i-phone for another bunch of stuff to mess with.

PLUS there are dozens of controls on the steering wheel and places on the instrument panel that light up with all kinds of pictures.

When I drive her car, I need a co-pilot/navigator.

While I understand how complicated systems can be intimidating, knobs and switches are fine. Muscle memory comes with experience. Touch screen controls REQUIRE visual attention.


Don't text while driving but feel free to peruse your car's animated, comprehensive, multi-function menu anytime at any speed.

[Sasquachulator]

I dont think im a fan of wireless carplay.

I used my phone as a navigation once (not hooking to carplay) but i didnt have it plugged in.

When i got to my destination my phone was hot, and the battery was drained quite a bit. I might have been driving for an hour or so.

Granted this was with an iphone 6S so things could be better now, but how much better? It'll still be draining battery as its being used.

Because of this i'd rather keep things wired.

[autoracer86]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

While I understand how complicated systems can be intimidating, knobs and switches are fine. Muscle memory comes with experience. Touch screen controls REQUIRE visual attention.


Don't text while driving but feel free to peruse your car's animated, comprehensive, multi-function menu anytime at any speed.

Self driving features really come into their own for this stuff. Less visual attention required when the car drives itself. Also voice controls are helpful as well.

Most modern cars are pretty half baked unfortunately. If the car Industry wants to move to all screen world they need to make using screens easier.

One day...

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

I dont think im a fan of wireless carplay.

Unless I'm going a very short distance I just plug my phone in for Android Auto (in the cars we have that have it). It's just easier.

The LYRIQ has Android Automotive built in, so I don't need screen mirroring, even though it will do it. It also has a wireless charging slot for a phone, but my phone doesn't do wireless charging.

So far, I prefer the built-in experience much better. I have Google Maps, Waze, Audible, Libby, Spotify (MomHawk doesn't go anywhere without her playlists) and a couple of other apps running directly in the car. It's a much better experience to me.

I find it interesting that with Audible and Libby and can switch back and forth between the built-in apps and my phone (on Bluetooth) and most of the times they are synched almost down to the word.

By the way, SuperCruise is amazing on mapped roads, including secondary four lanes and two lane roads. It drives me about half of my back roads route to work, and always on the highways. I may be getting a little too comfortable with it.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

I dont think im a fan of wireless carplay.

I used my phone as a navigation once (not hooking to carplay) but i didnt have it plugged in.

When i got to my destination my phone was hot, and the battery was drained quite a bit. I might have been driving for an hour or so.

Granted this was with an iphone 6S so things could be better now, but how much better? It'll still be draining battery as its being used.

Because of this i'd rather keep things wired.

mrs humfrz CR-V has an i-pad charger in a cubby that one can lay the phone on to keep it charged ........ however, it does seem to get quite warm (hot) when used for a long time. Now, with a lithium-ion battery, what the hell could go wrong there? -

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by autoracer86

Self driving features really come into their own for this stuff. Less visual attention required when the car drives itself. Also voice controls are helpful as well.

Most modern cars are pretty half baked unfortunately. If the car Industry wants to move to all screen world they need to make using screens easier.

One day...

Yep, now I know why her car came with all these sensors that alert you (including with the steering wheel shaking) when you get out of the lane. Also it has a sensor that applies the brakes before you crash into something.

I'm getting too fucking old for this shit!

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by autoracer86

Self driving features really come into their own for this stuff. Less visual attention required when the car drives itself. Also voice controls are helpful as well.

Most modern cars are pretty half baked unfortunately. If the car Industry wants to move to all screen world they need to make using screens easier.

One day...

The level of hypocrisy in the whole concept of touch-screens-as-controls is astonishing to me. The industry claims that it's what "the market" wants when, in reality, the aggregate is a fabrication to justify inclusion of more fancy gadgets.

Then they tell us they're coming to the rescue with self-driving safety crap because we don't know how to pay attention anymore.

*grumble grumble* Get off my lawn.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

The level of hypocrisy in the whole concept of touch-screens-as-controls is astonishing to me. The industry claims that it's what "the market" wants when, in reality, the aggregate is a fabrication to justify inclusion of more fancy gadgets.

Then they tell us they're coming to the rescue with self-driving safety crap because we don't know how to pay attention anymore.

*grumble grumble* Get off my lawn.

The whole screen thing is really about cost reduction IMO. One screen is much cheaper than multiple dials and buttons.