What does xxx WHP feel like? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

504 · 08-30-2016, 03:47 AM

We all love to talk numbers and charts but my recent experience of driving an Apr tuned vw Sirocco really opened my mind that numbers aren't everything.

While the car was relatively quick (260whp), it didn't feel so inside the cabin as a driver or passenger. It certainly leaves my car in the dust but for some reason whether it's the manual transmission or the lack of sound deadening or the lowness of the seating position; it's more exhilarating to accelerate in the 86.

I ain't here to talk about other cars but it certainly got me curious on what a twin with actual Power feels like.

This car is all about feel so please share your own experiences for us no FI peasants

For a more consistent thread, this layout is preferred

Type of FI
Power level
Description of feel and maybe what car you can compare it to

Amputechture · 08-30-2016, 09:48 AM

This car feels pretty f'ing quick once it gets a moderate amount of mid-range torque. I am running a JDL kit with two different maps at 7 & 10 PSI. I have an idea of what the power level is just from speculation of other owners of the kit, I should be around 270-290whp and 230ish wtq. It is very much a midrange turbo...I find myself shifting at around 6,800 RPM now if I'm going full throttle as there is not much headroom at the top of the rev range with the turbo I have. The way the power is delivered is much much different than OEM. The chassis of this car is completely capable of handling sub 300 whp power without feeling unbalanced.

It is tough to make a comparison because I have only driven a few other FI cars. None of which had the feeling or delivery of power like my car. I have driven a bone stock FD RX-7...and I can say with complete confidence that any twin equipped with one of the basic/standard fare turbo kits on pump gas will go toe to toe with one.

bfrank1972 · 08-30-2016, 12:42 PM

Big topic.

- In general, the FR-S/BRZ has more steering and chassis feedback than your typical street car, which can make the car feel faster.

- In general, cars with smaller engines/lower hp tend to be geared a bit shorter. Up the power and this shorter stock gearing will make the car feel faster. This is especially true with folks who shorten their FD over stock.

- Feeling of acceleration varies widely with FI type, this has been covered many times in various threads - centrifugal SC's build boost as you rev and have a lot of top end, but typically feel less 'quick' than a turbo or positive displacement SC.

I haven't gotten to install my C38 Kraftwerks kit yet, but I can comment on the fact that my FR-S with P&L header and tune feels a lot faster than it actually is. It's one of the best things about these cars

AdrianSaldana · 08-30-2016, 12:54 PM

200 HP
feels fine nothing to break your neck

Ultramaroon · 08-30-2016, 02:10 PM

It's more realistic to discuss in terms of torque-to-weight ratio. This is why a litre sport bike will out-accelerate just about anything with four wheels.

High torque is fun/thrilling but we quickly become accustomed to it. In my experience, not until the output of the powerplant becomes a challenge to control in any gear does it feel adequate.

That's where the idea of balance comes in. Put some less grippy wheels on a platform and it get's "fun" again.

mav1178 · 08-30-2016, 02:13 PM

pretty much how it feels like:

gled21 · 08-30-2016, 04:58 PM

I have the Jackson Racing supercharger (c30) kit installed into my brz and at 5 pounds and 91 im around 286hp and at first it was a lot of power. Granted I had the stock wheels and tires so no matter what my traction control was working in 1st and 2nd gear. Now that im used to it and have wider better tires I definitely want more power but the kit still gives me that silly grin when I rip through the gears. Dont get me wrong ive upset alot of v8 owners however the car makes you feel so confident that you want more and more power, just dont blow your rods.

stevo585 · 08-30-2016, 08:12 PM

Id say my ESC with a mathematically derived (weight and trap speed) ~ 230whp/200wtq feels alot like a v6 accord or equivalent V6 sedan in power delivery.

weederr33 · 08-30-2016, 08:17 PM

XXX whp feels like warm apple pie...

continuecrushing · 08-30-2016, 08:31 PM

in to see how deep this hole goes...

Summerwolf · 08-30-2016, 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevo585

Id say my ESC with a mathematically derived (weight and trap speed) ~ 230whp/200wtq feels alot like a v6 accord or equivalent V6 sedan in power delivery.

Damn.

That is not good.

Dipstik-sportech · 08-31-2016, 06:39 PM

Mine feels about as fast as the speed of lint

stevo585 · 08-31-2016, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

Damn.

That is not good.

No lol. But certainly alot better than stock. I can cut a 13.8 in the quarter.

justatroll · 08-31-2016, 08:56 PM

xxx WHP be like:

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrqiIjLGnCI"]techno crazy frog - YouTube[/ame]

08-30-2016, 03:47 AM	#1
504 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Drives: 2014 86 GTS Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 168 Thanks: 131 Thanked 85 Times in 57 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	What does xxx WHP feel like? We all love to talk numbers and charts but my recent experience of driving an Apr tuned vw Sirocco really opened my mind that numbers aren't everything. While the car was relatively quick (260whp), it didn't feel so inside the cabin as a driver or passenger. It certainly leaves my car in the dust but for some reason whether it's the manual transmission or the lack of sound deadening or the lowness of the seating position; it's more exhilarating to accelerate in the 86. I ain't here to talk about other cars but it certainly got me curious on what a twin with actual Power feels like. This car is all about feel so please share your own experiences for us no FI peasants For a more consistent thread, this layout is preferred Type of FI Power level Description of feel and maybe what car you can compare it to

08-30-2016, 12:54 PM	#4
AdrianSaldana That Guy Join Date: Jun 2016 Drives: Fast and Hard Location: South Texas Posts: 120 Thanks: 30 Thanked 42 Times in 37 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	200 HP feels fine nothing to break your neck __________________ "Knowledge will give you power, but character respect.." DD: 2007 Suzuki Sv650 Weekend Car: 1969 Chevelle Summer/Weekend Car: 2014 BRZ

08-30-2016, 02:10 PM	#5
Ultramaroon 義理チョコ Join Date: Sep 2014 Drives: a 13 e8h frs Location: vantucky, wa Posts: 31,868 Thanks: 52,130 Thanked 36,519 Times in 18,920 Posts Mentioned: 1106 Post(s) Tagged: 9 Thread(s)	It's more realistic to discuss in terms of torque-to-weight ratio. This is why a litre sport bike will out-accelerate just about anything with four wheels. High torque is fun/thrilling but we quickly become accustomed to it. In my experience, not until the output of the powerplant becomes a challenge to control in any gear does it feel adequate. That's where the idea of balance comes in. Put some less grippy wheels on a platform and it get's "fun" again. __________________ service manuals

08-30-2016, 08:12 PM	#8
stevo585 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Drives: White 2014 BRZ Location: Orlando, FL. Posts: 519 Thanks: 131 Thanked 155 Times in 109 Posts Mentioned: 4 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Id say my ESC with a mathematically derived (weight and trap speed) ~ 230whp/200wtq feels alot like a v6 accord or equivalent V6 sedan in power delivery. __________________ JDL Turbo kit - Ecutek, HRI tuned.

08-30-2016, 08:17 PM	#9
weederr33 Airborne at your service Join Date: Sep 2014 Drives: '17 BRZ Series.Yellow Location: El Paso, Texas Posts: 6,326 Thanks: 4,529 Thanked 5,587 Times in 2,929 Posts Mentioned: 33 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	XXX whp feels like warm apple pie... __________________ Series.Yellowbird - http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122135 MS, CSCS, TSAC-F, CPT

08-30-2016, 09:48 AM	#2
Amputechture Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Drives: 2014 BRZ Location: FL Posts: 424 Thanks: 49 Thanked 143 Times in 111 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	This car feels pretty f'ing quick once it gets a moderate amount of mid-range torque. I am running a JDL kit with two different maps at 7 & 10 PSI. I have an idea of what the power level is just from speculation of other owners of the kit, I should be around 270-290whp and 230ish wtq. It is very much a midrange turbo...I find myself shifting at around 6,800 RPM now if I'm going full throttle as there is not much headroom at the top of the rev range with the turbo I have. The way the power is delivered is much much different than OEM. The chassis of this car is completely capable of handling sub 300 whp power without feeling unbalanced. It is tough to make a comparison because I have only driven a few other FI cars. None of which had the feeling or delivery of power like my car. I have driven a bone stock FD RX-7...and I can say with complete confidence that any twin equipped with one of the basic/standard fare turbo kits on pump gas will go toe to toe with one.

08-30-2016, 12:42 PM	#3
bfrank1972 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Drives: 2013 FR-S Argento Location: Westport,CT Posts: 1,855 Thanks: 517 Thanked 1,039 Times in 616 Posts Mentioned: 7 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	Big topic. - In general, the FR-S/BRZ has more steering and chassis feedback than your typical street car, which can make the car feel faster. - In general, cars with smaller engines/lower hp tend to be geared a bit shorter. Up the power and this shorter stock gearing will make the car feel faster. This is especially true with folks who shorten their FD over stock. - Feeling of acceleration varies widely with FI type, this has been covered many times in various threads - centrifugal SC's build boost as you rev and have a lot of top end, but typically feel less 'quick' than a turbo or positive displacement SC. I haven't gotten to install my C38 Kraftwerks kit yet, but I can comment on the fact that my FR-S with P&L header and tune feels a lot faster than it actually is. It's one of the best things about these cars

08-30-2016, 02:13 PM	#6
mav1178 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Drives: 2005 Toyota Camry Location: 91745 Posts: 6,562 Thanks: 493 Thanked 6,093 Times in 3,029 Posts Mentioned: 95 Post(s) Tagged: 3 Thread(s)	pretty much how it feels like:

08-30-2016, 04:58 PM	#7
gled21 Member Join Date: Oct 2015 Drives: White brz 2015 / 93' s13 Location: Tucson AZ / Las Vegas NV Posts: 46 Thanks: 25 Thanked 12 Times in 5 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I have the Jackson Racing supercharger (c30) kit installed into my brz and at 5 pounds and 91 im around 286hp and at first it was a lot of power. Granted I had the stock wheels and tires so no matter what my traction control was working in 1st and 2nd gear. Now that im used to it and have wider better tires I definitely want more power but the kit still gives me that silly grin when I rip through the gears. Dont get me wrong ive upset alot of v8 owners however the car makes you feel so confident that you want more and more power, just dont blow your rods.

08-30-2016, 08:31 PM	#10
continuecrushing Join Date: Mar 2013 Drives: 2013 Firestorm FRS Location: Lake Elsinore, CA Posts: 2,707 Thanks: 1,231 Thanked 2,144 Times in 1,003 Posts Mentioned: 73 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	in to see how deep this hole goes...

08-31-2016, 06:39 PM	#12
Dipstik-sportech Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Drives: 2013 BRZ satin white pearl sportech Location: Thunder Bay Ontario Canada Posts: 1,813 Thanks: 842 Thanked 911 Times in 576 Posts Mentioned: 43 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Mine feels about as fast as the speed of lint __________________ 2013 SWP BRZ sportech. 11.11sec@129.01mph, 511whp on e70. FullBlown base kit, FullBlown built 9.5:1 engine, GTX3076R GEN2 turbo, 1700cc Bosch injectors, FullBlown flex fuel kit, FullBlown radiator and oil cooler, FullBlown custom 3" dual exit exhaust, act xtreme clutch, whiteline diff and subframe inserts, BC Racing coilovers, hotchkiss 18mm rear sway, is300 3.73 differential ... Never finished

08-31-2016, 08:56 PM	#14
justatroll Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Drives: Full race 4cyl boxer Location: CO, USA Posts: 587 Thanks: 310 Thanked 510 Times in 269 Posts Mentioned: 20 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	xxx WHP be like: [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrqiIjLGnCI"]techno crazy frog - YouTube[/ame] __________________ Arguing with an engineer is like wrestling with a Pig in the mud. You are never going to win and after a couple of hours you realize that he likes it.

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