Blown engine! known head problems?

[Floggin Tires]

@husker741
Please don't associate Mr. Paul with Fa20culb.
Thanks,
With heart.

[Deep Six]

I would stop driving it while there is still a chance that the problem is top end only.

[Haeb]

P0011 is likely related to a variable valve timing cam gear problem. I have heard of some of the earlier engines having issues with the cam gears, some even getting engine swaps due to failures. Good luck with a warranty!!!

[Malt]

Originally Posted by Dmitri

... Any advice for trying to get a warranty engine replacement? Going to remove turbo and all components, replace all stock components, and flash back to stock. So yeah, ideas, advice?

Really? So you admit to deliberately trying to defraud your dealership into replacing an engine that you knowingly modified in a manner that you knew would have a risk for engine failure?

And people wonder why dealerships can be such a pain when dealing with legitimate warranty claims. Don't be a dirt bag.

[xxscaxx]

My advice:

Learn from your mistakes. Get new motor and pay out of pocket.

These are things EVERY owner should be prepared for when throwing boost at a motor not meant for it. It was YOUR choice to put a turbo kit on it. Even if you pull the kit off, the dealer can still see you flashed your ECU, and will just most likely deny you anyway.

If my motor blew tomorrow I would not try to get the dealer to fix it unless they were willing to with my current setup.

If people aren't willing to gamble, they should never touch this car with F/I.

[Haeb]

heres a TSB relating to the P0011 code and cam gear issue...

2013 Subaru BRZ F4-2.0L DOHC


Vehicle » Engine, Cooling and Exhaust » Engine » Technical Service Bulletins » All Technical Service Bulletins » Engine - AVCS DTC's Stored In ECM Memory

• Engine - AVCS DTC's Stored In ECM Memory

NUMBER: 02-132-12R
DATE: 08/21/12
*REVISED: 01/21/13* APPLICABILITY:
2012 and Later Impreza and XV Crosstrek
NA Models (FB Engine)
2013MY BRZ (FA Engine)
2013MY Legacy and Outback Models (FB Engine)
2011MY and Later Forester NA Models (FB Engine) SUBJECT:
Diagnosis and Repair for AVCS-Related DTCs
P000A, P000B, P000C, P000D, P0011, P0014,
P0021 and P0024 INTRODUCTION
This Bulletin provides a procedure for diagnosis and determination of necessary part replacement in the event any of the "AVCS Slow Response" or "AVCS System Failure" DTCs listed above are found to be stored in the ECM memory. A possible cause of these conditions is contamination within the camshaft sprocket and / or oil control solenoid valve (OCV) mechanism. COUNTERMEASURE IN PRODUCTION



Countermeasures were incorporated into production during July, 2012 starting with the VINs shown.
SERVICE PROCEDURE / INFORMATION
NOTES : Only the Intake-related DTCs are applicable to Legacy, Outback and Forester models. *DTC P0011 and P0021 are applicable to Forester models only.* ^ Using the SSMIII, determine which DTC is stored. ^ Determine the location of the suspect component using the DTC List ^ Swap the Oil Control Solenoid Valves side-to-side (intake to intake or exhaust to exhaust, not between intake and exhaust on same side) following the procedure in the applicable Service Manual. NOTE : The o-ring and nylon backer ring on the OCV must be replaced prior to reinstallation as they both are one-time use items. ^ Clear the ECM memory. ^ Perform *the model-specific Drive Cycle or Inspection Mode procedure for the corresponding DTC as shown in the chart. ^ Follow the applicable procedure below for locating either Inspection Mode or Drive Cycle instructions to coincide with the reference chart. 1. For BRZ: Using the Service Diagnostics tab on the STIS home page, enter your vehicle search parameters (example: 2013 > BRZ). Next, using the DTC tab, enter P0021 for INTAKE-related DTCs or P0024 for EXHAUST-related DTCs. Select the applicable link from your search result (example: P0021: Camshaft Position "A" - Timing Over-Advanced or System Performance (Bank 2)). Follow the diagnostic outline down to TEST DRIVE (for Drive Cycle) information. 2. For All Other Models: Using the Service Diagnostics tab on the STIS home page, enter your vehicle search parameters (example: 2013 > Outback). Next, enter specific DTC into the search term box. Select the applicable link from your search result (examples: ENGINE (DIAGNOSTICS) (H4DO) > Drive Cycle > PROCEDURE or ENGINE (DIAGNOSTICS) (H4DO) > Inspection Mode > PROCEDURE).*


DTC LIST
Does the suspect component / problem location change to the opposite bank of the engine by resetting the applicable DTC?
^ YES- Replace the suspect OCV with a new part (including a new o-ring and backer ring). ^ NO- Replace the suspect camshaft sprocket with a new part. (It is not necessary to return OCVs to their original positions.) IMPORTANT : After any component replacement, perform the applicable *Drive Cycle or Inspection Mode procedure again* to confirm the repair. WARRANTY / CLAIM INFORMATION



For vehicles within the Basic New Car Limited and/or Powertrain Warranty period, this repair may be claimed using the information shown.
NOTE : These labor times include all the Drive Cycle or Inspection Mode procedures as needed and all SSMIII use.

[husker741]

Originally Posted by Floggin Tires

@husker741
Please don't associate Mr. Paul with Fa20culb.
Thanks,
With heart.

Who the hell is Mr. Paul?

[Malt]

Originally Posted by husker741

Who the hell is Mr. Paul?

Originally Posted by husker741

This guy

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by Dmitri

Just does not seem like a boost related failure.

So by your definition, what constitutes a "boost-related failure"?

-alex

[Jason@DSG]

Typically bad tunes with timing/fuel errors happening during cruise. There was a tooooner up here in Canada tuning EvoX at one point and blew 5 cars (needless to say he's out of business). 3 of the 5 cars blew during cruising for ultra lean conditions

[King Tut]

Originally Posted by Dmitri

Driving along today, 55mph 6th gear, engine started making a clacking sound which quickly became a very loud clacking metallic sound coming from drivers head region. Fine metal particles in oil, engine seems done for. Any known problems with the heads/ valvetrain? The car is fi and has ran flawlessly for 10k with the turbo. Also has gfb crank pulley. Any advice for trying to get a warranty engine replacement? Going to remove turbo and all components, replace all stock components, and flash back to stock. So yeah, ideas, advice?

So what was your AFR during cruising? Do you have ANY EcuTek logs to show us how the car was running under boost?

[Razz]

Once you put FI on it is very easy to tell the car has been modified.


You can't fool the dealer.

[7thgear]

Originally Posted by mav1178

So by your definition, what constitutes a "boost-related failure"?

-alex

When you mad racin son,

Pedal to the floor, boost gauge spinnin in circles and yo flo boards be flyin n shit, like, Doc and Marty better sit this one out cuz they never seen such powa

[Tainen]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

I've seen FA20club tuned cars knock to -5 degrees while cruising on E50 blend...


Just FYI, it is nearly impossible to make E50-E85 knock... Like REALLY, REEEEEALLY hard...

So, even if you were cruising, might have been knocking quite a few.

Also important to note, there is a local with FA20club kit that has a metal clanking sound in one head (he says the sound was present before turbo kit, it just got worse now) and it seems it has to do with camshaft advance mechanism.

Why on earth would you throw a turbo kit on a car that has a known engine noise coming from the head? lol.