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On a track, the forces exerted on braking hardware and tires goes up exponentially as you go faster. Heavier cars only make this worse.
If you want to track your sports car in any sort of affordable definition, you need to keep consumables cost down. With a heavy sports car that's impossible.
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Yeah I'm gonna respectfully disagree.
A 3800 lb Camaro SS on Michelin Cup tires is gonna destroy those tires after one weekend. Brake pads? Dunno, but probably the same.
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@Dave-ROR does tracking the Camaro put you in the poorhouse? Are you selling all your worldly goods to support your tire and brake habit?
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Blah blah blah, sure affordability varies.
But increasing the cost of a track weekend from $1500 to $3000 or more, almost exclusively because of consumables, is a roadblock for a lot of people. Sidenote, since I have your attention: Why the hell is gasoline so expensive in British Columbia? I was up in Whistler and Vancouver last week for vacation and geez, doing the math in my head regular fuel is roughly $4.50-5.00/gallon (US currency).
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Rotors are the expensive bit at $330 each for the fronts. However, that's a two piece and comes with a new hat each time so not bad for what it is. Also after 7-8 days at the track so far my rotors are looking great. Front pads are $330 a set for Ferodo DSUNO. I've been through just over 1 set in that same 7-8 days. Technically I've run two sets, but both down to 40%. I don't want to kill those expensive rotors by going metal to metal so I'll need to start checking each session to wear them down just enough... So I could switch to an Essex AP racing setup on the Camaro and save $ over time, but so far the wear rates just don't support doing so when one considers I have 3 track ready cars (soon 4...).
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No doubt it is but it also isn't to a lot of people. The simple point is just because you think it costs too much does not mean it costs too much.
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I also disagree. Did you read that thread with the guy that tracks a grand sport? If I recall he was claiming consumables (just consumables) run him $450/hour. Someone could easily afford a grand sport but not be interested in spending $450/hr in consumables alone. He now owns a BRZ for tracking. |
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Track: $650 for two days Hotel: $300 Tires: F: $240, R: $120 Rotors: $66 (fronts only, rears have no visible wear so I have no idea how long they'll last) Pads: $150 (probably high but whatever) So that's $1,526 so far.. Gas: $384 (based on 8 fillups over the weekend) So approx $1,910. And that's for a car fast enough to pass Cayman GT4s and andy 911 south of the GT2/GT3/Turbo. Of that 950 is event fees and hotel, so less than $1k in total comsumables including fuel. My old BRZ was cheaper, but with much less grippy tires. Add Cup2s or similar to the BRZ and I doubt my costs change that much. Fuel and pads will be the biggest differences probably.
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I applaud Mazda for giving the Miata more power, but give it a few years and people will be expecting more power, while keeping the cost and weight down.
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I get that it would cost too much for some but that DOES NOT mean the cars are not trackable. The whole idea of saying nobody will or should based upon personal ideals is totally ridiculous.
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Edit: Also worth noting, my rotor estimes are high. Most people get 15 days before tossing them, I was using 10 days for the math. Fuel might be a little high also.
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Keep in mind that the Mazda motor STILL makes significantly less specific power. 90.5 HP/l vs 102.5 HP/l for the twins. Especially for a boxer that's damn impressive. Before 2010 even Porsche didn't have an NA boxer for sale over 100hp/l except for the GT3. If the twins had as much displacement/ton as the Miata they'd have 237hp. Our engine doesn't make that much power, but it sure tries hard! |
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