Advanced driving.

[Shagaliscious]

Originally Posted by paulca

Isn't that what I said?

Not really.

You wrote a novel when another member asked you to put your thoughts into 1 sentence. He actually put your thoughts into 1 sentence, and made it NOT seem like incessant rambling. Maybe it's an American thing, make your answers short and simple, because nobody cares what you think, they just care about the facts.

[paulca]

Originally Posted by Shagaliscious

Not really.

You wrote a novel when another member asked you to put your thoughts into 1 sentence. He actually put your thoughts into 1 sentence, and made it NOT seem like incessant rambling. Maybe it's an American thing, make your answers short and simple, because nobody cares what you think, they just care about the facts.

Actually I summed it up in the first sentence of that post. Maybe it is an American thing. If you don't like my posts, don't read them.

[Shagaliscious]

Originally Posted by paulca

Actually I summed it up in the first sentence of that post. Maybe it is an American thing. If you don't like my posts, don't read them.

What's an American thing? What are you referring to?

[paulca]

Originally Posted by Shagaliscious

What's an American thing? What are you referring to?

Take this tongue in cheek mate, but I watch the Discovery Channel and it seems these days nobody does details. It's all summary, summary, drama, summary. Maybe that's the way America is going and unfortunately, regarding TV we are not far behind you!

[Shagaliscious]

Originally Posted by paulca

Take this tongue in cheek mate, but I watch the Discovery Channel and it seems these days nobody does details. It's all summary, summary, drama, summary. Maybe that's the way America is going and unfortunately, regarding TV we are not far behind you!

I don't think you need details to get your point across though. I agree that people need to learn defensive driving skills first, but that can be said with minimal effort.

[Smoke Destructer]

I don't understand how going 10 mph in 5th gear is a good idea. What if something happens and you need to get out of the way? You have zero power on tap, so you'd have to shift into a lower gear, which takes up time you should be using to get out of the way. Would it not be better to just always be in the proper gear for the speed you're traveling? This is why rev matching is important. Hell, heel-toe is also great for that sort of thing. Those techniques are used so that you can always be traveling in an appropriate gear.

[carbonBLUE]

WHAT IN THE ACTUAL FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU@#@$$%#$^

You people... Y'all are dumb for even arguing about this...

[eddieflyinv]

Drive how you like driving. I double clutch heel toe for the fun of it, it's something to do, and yes it has other benefits, I know plenty of people that don't, ive taught people how and then they stopped doing it because they don't like it, or trying stressed them out, does it make me or anyone else some god of drivers ? No, doesn't matter, who cares lol just drive how you're most comfortable, that's by far the safest way

[stugray]

Originally Posted by Smoke Destructer

Hell, heel-toe is also great for that sort of thing. Those techniques are used so that you can always be traveling in an appropriate gear.

This is a good example of what the OP is talking about.
Trying to explain heel-toe techniques to beginners is just a distraction.

I drive my BRZ on the street and I NEVER heel-toe. WHY?
Because I CANT and dont need to.
My foot does not span across the two pedals correctly in this car.
I have tried it, and it is dangerous because the chance that my foot slips off of the brake is just too great
AND the only time it is even remotely necessary is HARD braking into a corner which we should not be doing on the street on a regular basis.

In my racecar, I heel-toe all of the time because the pedals are arranged to make it very easy (porsche 914) AND I learned to heel-toe in that car because it would not hold idle without heel-toe.

The OP is not telling you to not do it, he is just emphasizing that it is overkill for 90% of us.

[Rampage]

Wow! There are apparently a lot of elite, 1% drivers on this forum. Or at least, there are a lot who hold that opinion of their own driving knowledge and skill levels.

[eddieflyinv]

Originally Posted by Rampage

Wow! There are apparently a lot of elite, 1% drivers on this forum. Or at least, there are a lot who hold that opinion of their own driving knowledge and skill levels.

lol its the internet man, everyones a pro

[Davev]

Originally Posted by eddieflyinv

lol its the internet man, everyones a pro

I like to compare my driving skills to both Louis Hamilton and Fernando Alonso.

And all three of us think this thread is total crap.

[zenki_levin]

Not sure if troll, funny thread tho. Obviously all these racetechniques aren't a necessity for beginner drivers but there's nothing wrong with using them aslong as you don't drive like a jackass.

Originally Posted by paulca

I personally love leaving boy racers behind in traffic. They can blip and rev match and brake harshly all they want, but I usually just glide past them because I am instead watching the road, identifying not only hazards, but opportunities and taking advantage.

Originally Posted by paulca

Also it doesn't matter if you have practiced these techniques until they appear to happen automatically, they are still using up large parts of your brain that could be better served elsewhere.

Originally Posted by paulca

What if you trained yourself to move that attention from rev matching, from the car control entirely to the road around you. Think of the amount of situation awareness you would have then.

By your logic even having the radio on is a distraction keeping you from safe driving because listening to a song could use up large parts of your brain. Say goodbye to passengers because they could distract you, whilst we are at it everything is a distraction let's stay home it's safer. There's a reason why they don't give licenses away in a cornflake packet. You have to earn your drivers license. And if you can't operate (changing gears/braking etc) a vehicule whilst maintaining attention to the road then you shouldn't be driving at all.

Originally Posted by atledreier

For those who have any significant amount of basic training, the act of shifting is second nature and require a tiny proportion of your brain capacity. If shifting properly is keeping you from situational awareness then please sir, step out of the vehicle

If your brain is overloaded in regular traffic, I suggest you do some mental exercise and train in a simulator. My kids are out there.

This.

[kavanagh]

Originally Posted by Davev

I like to compare my driving skills to both Louis Hamilton and Fernando Alonso.

And all three of us think this thread is total crap.

Louis, Fernando and I all disagree with this entire thread because we drive with two pedals.

Paddle shift for the win.