Innovative MotorWorks - 603whp/47wtq on a Stock Engine

[sw20kosh]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

Oh, I don't know, just about 40-50 threads from people with 2013 cars with the motor going bye-bye despite the best efforts of the owners and shops that worked on the cars, lol

LMAO 40-50 threads!!!!

[904FRSlow]

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

LMAO 40-50 threads!!!!

I don't think its that funny

[wbradley]

The question that begs to be asked is why go to all the time and expense to set up a configuration that is bound to destroy the engine vs prepping the engine for these conditions??
Why would anyone deliberately destroy an engine?
Makes no sense!
This is analogous to constructing a multi storey building on patio stones.
I would think anyone with the budget to do a failure test could just as easily utilize the expertise of someone who could predict the weak points empirically. I'm going to go with rod>piston>valve>gasket failure. And I have no expertise other than reading of previous instances.

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by 20firestorm13

If I recall correctly it already has went kaboom.

It did not. Stupid rumors are stupid.

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

If it's a 2013 motor, there's no way it'll last with stock internals...those 2013 motors are ticking time-bombs with boost

Bought car Jun 11th 2012.

Boosted to 552 whp 471 wtq for two years. Still running strong.

It's all in the way you drive, tune, supporting mods and maintain your car.

Of course, this is not a bulletproof engine and the factory does produce some bad engines, but most times than not, the motor can hold boost, again with the proper setup.

[Streetthrowback]

Also tune is VERY VERY important! I say 90% of it has to do with the tune!

[TurboBRZ]

Originally Posted by nastynate88

Pulled from their Facebook Page:

It's absolutely badass that a stock 2.0L motor can hit nearly 700WHP, but at the same time this car is a death trap! This guy has no idea what he's in for if he gets into a front-end collision now after removing his bumper impact beam and absorber... I've seen the impact these things can take and I feel bad for whatever driver eventually wrecks this car on some amazing run at 700hp.

Performance without safety (in my opinion) is the definition of stupid.

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by sw20kosh

LMAO 40-50 threads!!!!

Go count them over the years...you've been here a bit, you'll find multitudes

[TurboBRZ]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

Oh, I don't know, just about 40-50 threads from people with 2013 cars with the motor going bye-bye despite the best efforts of the owners and shops that worked on the cars, lol

You mean people who paid a shop to do all of their install and then bought a cookie-cutter out of the box tune for their turbo or SC setup instead of taking it into a dyno for tuning? Ya - that'll make your motor blow up a lot sooner than if you did it right the first time. Out of the threads I've read where people blew their motor below 300hp, they all had a cookie-cutter tune rather than doing it the right way. It has little to do with how much boost you run or what HP you are making and a lot more to do with "quick, easy and cheap".

[Thorpedo]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

Go count them over the years...you've been here a bit, you'll find multitudes

You know that the point of failures were all over the board right? If you were talking about a particular issue that the 2013s had then you might have a case. The engines are nearly the same, and since there were so many different types of failures, you can't seriously hope to sound reasonable by making the point that "2013s can't take boost". That's sort of like saying 2013s have weak head gaskets, cranks, rods, blocks, DI seals, DI pumps etc etc.

Get real man, you sound downright foolish.

[Lonewolf]

Originally Posted by Thorpedo

You know that the point of failures were all over the board right? If you were talking about a particular issue that the 2013s had then you might have a case. The engines are nearly the same, and since there were so many different types of failures, you can't seriously hope to sound reasonable by making the point that "2013s can't take boost". That's sort of like saying 2013s have weak head gaskets, cranks, rods, blocks, DI seals, DI pumps etc etc.

Get real man, you sound downright foolish.

The 2013 motors did have different valves and tunes early on, not too mention a lazy way of sealing up the cam plates, and other common sources of leaks...and who knows what Subaru did quietly to address many of the cooling, oiling, AVCS, and assortment of other failures specific to boost problems...I don't have the patience to fully explain and qualify my original statement about the 2013 cars, so all the people up in arms will just have to deal with it.

I sound foolish because I made an opinion based on consistent observations I've made over the years? Lol...oh well, I guess you can't please people who live in fantasy land.

[TurboBRZ]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

I sound foolish because I made an opinion based on consistent observations I've made over the years? Lol...oh well, I guess you can't please people who live in fantasy land.

No, it more has to do with throwing out blanket claims with little to no reasoning behind it other than your own opinion... If you had some facts that you threw in you wouldn't sound so foolish.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Lonewolf

The 2013 motors did have different valves and tunes early on, not too mention a lazy way of sealing up the cam plates, and other common sources of leaks...and who knows what Subaru did quietly to address many of the cooling, oiling, AVCS, and assortment of other failures specific to boost problems...I don't have the patience to fully explain and qualify my original statement about the 2013 cars, so all the people up in arms will just have to deal with it.

I sound foolish because I made an opinion based on consistent observations I've made over the years? Lol...oh well, I guess you can't please people who live in fantasy land.

I am (sort of) gonna throw in with Lone on this. Although I don't think there are 40 or 50 threads there certainly are a shitload of them from back then.
There were undeniably issues with the early engines that have been changed since then and there is plenty of documentation here to support that as a fact.

Another aspect that I have not seen mentioned here is that there is a rather lengthy list of engines that were blown doing R&D for tunes and aftermarket parts. These pioneers knew exactly what the risks were while they pushed the limits to develop the best performance while keeping as much reliability as possible and fully accepted that they could/would blow up an engine or two. The boosted engines that are still going strong are the result of this R&D not in spite of it nor the exception to the rule.

I do however disagree with Lone on the fact that all the 13s are ticking time bombs. If the stock engine has had the fixes applied (especially the updated TSB tunes) and is properly maintained there is no reason to expect it to be any worse than the later ones. From what little info I have been able to glean on major failures the rate is no greater than the average new release of any other make. Engines that have been modded or boosted will last as long as the quality of work and materials that were initially put into them, how hard they are used and how well they are maintained.

[ybotspawn]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I am (sort of) gonna throw in with Lone on this. Although I don't think there are 40 or 50 threads there certainly are a shitload of them from back then.
There were undeniably issues with the early engines that have been changed since then and there is plenty of documentation here to support that as a fact.

Another aspect that I have not seen mentioned here is that there is a rather lengthy list of engines that were blown doing R&D for tunes and aftermarket parts. These pioneers knew exactly what the risks were while they pushed the limits to develop the best performance while keeping as much reliability as possible and fully accepted that they could/would blow up an engine or two. The boosted engines that are still going strong are the result of this R&D not in spite of it nor the exception to the rule.

I do however disagree with Lone on the fact that all the 13s are ticking time bombs. If the stock engine has had the fixes applied (especially the updated TSB tunes) and is properly maintained there is no reason to expect it to be any worse than the later ones. From what little info I have been able to glean on major failures the rate is no greater than the average new release of any other make. Engines that have been modded or boosted will last as long as the quality of work and materials that were initially put into them, how hard they are used and how well they are maintained.

@Tcoat for the voice of reason....

[whataboutbob]

I've got 86K plus on a 2013 motor, 52K+ boosted. My car is still running fine.