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09-17-2019, 08:37 AM | #394 | |
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It’s an phenomenon that doesn’t affect low specific output NA motors, like American V8s or truck engines. Anything that’s near or over 100hp/l though, emits more and more Nox gasses, kind of like a turbo motor, except you can’t turn the boost down to reduce cylinder pressure. That’s one of the reasons why all high specific output motors lately have had forced induction. Even the Porsche GT3 almost got a turbo motor when the 991 got facelifted. Some manufacturers can deal with it by using a really tall overdrive for cruising (corvette, mustang), but our cars don’t have the grunt down low to deal with that. |
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More power = more emmisions The manufacturers need to comply with the Euro emmisions standards to be competitive 152kw is quite good for a 2.0l NA engine, but trying to wring out much more, whilst retaining emmisions compliance is the issue In the end the twins are bargain basement sports coupes out of the box, that also have great potential for those willing to play around a bit
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A question to provide even a higher performance is something that it looks they listen and checking, but not because of emission reasons. |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrari_F140_engine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsch...peedster_(2019) Aaand, that's it. Generally speaking in the rest of the world, you can produce a higher hp/liter higher polluting engine than what the 86 has, but first world governments tax the hell out of them which gets passed onto the consumer so nobody would buy it. Porsche and Ferrari do it on their supercars because the buyers are willing to pay the taxes on the fast cars that cost more than most people's homes, people were up in arms about $25k for this shitbox at 200hp, crank it up to 240hp N/A and add on another $5k-$10k to the price tag (not just taxes, but development costs to find the power in more complex and accurate castings and post-machining process for the heads of this car) and nobody in their right mind would pay Mustang GT/Camaro SS money for the tin can with a hyped up sewing machine under the hood. Y'all should just slap a supercharger on it and quit yer bitching. |
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All really good points. I just refer to the twins as 86 or BRZ now. GT86 should never have been used. It doesn’t fit what I think of a GT car. Grand Touring right? Yeah I love my car to death, but it’s not grand or touring capable. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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I should clarify, I will be taking my FR-S on road trips, it’s a terrific car for any type of driving. But a GT car to me is something a little more upscale, like an M5, and the classic Japanese sports cars like the 300ZX and Supra.
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That said, I'd welcome a high-revving 2.4L making ~240 hp if they could keep the same weight and weight distribution (or improve on it). But I doubt that happens unless the rear seats are deleted and the cabin pushed rearward, which isn't going to happen with the Supra's positioning in the lineup. BTW not saying I believe the source, just giving my thoughts if it were to happen.
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