FRS / BRZ Intake Manifold - Development Thread - FT-86SpeedFactory by Velox

[eric6]

Originally Posted by im2lazy789

First off: Awesome project! Very excited to see how this progresses, do take pictures of prototyping and post them please! The one question I have is whether you have played around with modeling larger throttle bodies at all? My naive first look makes me wonder if the throttle body will be a choke point for the rest of the manifold.

Thanks. It won't become the choke point till high horsepower. The OEM throttle body is 67mm, that's significant for an OEM throttle body. Something we will look into in the future though.

Originally Posted by cdrazic93

CNC right? Sounds like some add ons were needed.

Yes, to do the flange and runners, he needed to order some 5" long tools.

Originally Posted by calmtigers

So cost wise I'm assuming 1K+?

Originally Posted by Zaneman

I'm guessing $1.5k+

It will be more then Full Blown's, I know that much.

Originally Posted by raven1231

3.5k for me

Well less than this.

[calmtigers]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

If we are going to play the guess the price I say it will cost somewhere between 18 cents and $24,295.

this man knows his price is right

[cdrazic93]

So in for flow comparison between the fbm and this one

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by cdrazic93

So in for flow comparison between the fbm and this one

I am not comparing functionality or price but I think the Velox prototype looks much more elegant. I have no (zero, zip, nada) idea how much tuning is testable on the FBM item.

[phobos512]

Originally Posted by calmtigers

this man knows his price is right

PiR works on "closest without going over" when last I checked.

@eric6 - curious - I know for the stuff I work on our manufacturers do Production Readiness Reviews, review drawings, work instructions, assembly guides, floor setup, manning, critical dimensions, QA process review, first article inspection, CMM...Do more commercial/niche manufacturers/items like you/this go through that same type of work? Granted the end products I deal with are $500Kish so the level of rigor is different. Again, just curious.

[yo joshman]

I dint even know Full blown had one?

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by yo joshman

I dint even know Full blown had one?

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showt...ghlight=intake

[eric6]

Originally Posted by cdrazic93

So in for flow comparison between the fbm and this one

Their will be no flow comparison. Flowing the intake manifold on a bench doesn't make much sense as it is an unrealistic condition. We will only be comparing our unit to the OEM unit .

Originally Posted by phobos512

PiR works on "closest without going over" when last I checked.

@eric6 - curious - I know for the stuff I work on our manufacturers do Production Readiness Reviews, review drawings, work instructions, assembly guides, floor setup, manning, critical dimensions, QA process review, first article inspection, CMM...Do more commercial/niche manufacturers/items like you/this go through that same type of work? Granted the end products I deal with are $500Kish so the level of rigor is different. Again, just curious.

I'm sorry but I don't fully understand your question. Could you rephrase it and I'll do my best to answer? If you're asking if we go through all those processes, no we do not. Do we go through quite a few of them? Yes. We are a group of a few engineers, not a multi-billion dollar company. We do what is necessary and then move on.

I meant to say this earlier today as well... all of our products are strictly designed and produced by United States run businesses, using U.S. materials. While this does come at a slight cost increase, quality control, fit and finish, and keeping jobs here in America are all reasons why we do stuff the way we do it .

More updates coming soon .

[phobos512]

Basically I was just curious about the processes you follow to put a part like this into production, that's all. I'm sure it's very much not to the same level as the stuff I work on, and that's fine, because the stuff I work on is very mechanically and electrically complex.

[cdrazic93]

Originally Posted by eric6

Their will be no flow comparison. Flowing the intake manifold on a bench doesn't make much sense as it is an unrealistic condition. We will only be comparing our unit to the OEM unit .

oh i know, I'm waiting for the independant shop or member to test them, themselves.

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by cdrazic93

So in for flow comparison between the fbm and this one

What purpose would this serve? Wouldn't better or worse flow show up on the dyno?

[cdrazic93]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

What purpose would this serve? Wouldn't the results of the flow show up on the dyno?

If the two cars are exactly the same then yea you can compare dyno's. But I can almost guarantee one or the other cars will have different mods which will aid in its dyno reading, kind of washing out 'just' the intake manifold.

[Captain Snooze]

Flow flow flow your air violently down the stream
Merrily merrily merrily cram as much as you can dream

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by cdrazic93

If the two cars are exactly the same then yea you can compare dyno's. But I can almost guarantee one or the other cars will have different mods which will aid in its dyno reading, kind of washing out 'just' the intake manifold.

I am suggesting it would be just as quick as to remove and replace a manifold and dyno a car as flowing a manifold. I would prefer to see a dyno chart as it gives practical results as opposed to theoretical lab results. My 10 cents given away for free!