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07-23-2020, 12:15 PM | #29 | |
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I'm excluding going with boost, swaps, etc on the FRS since that just means mods to the SS1LE are open as well and then one is right back to the same situation. Both are fun in different ways also. I greatly prefer the Camaro on track but like running the FRS to hang out with my slow car friends.
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Since we are talking about half-assing.. what would happen if someone had a Simpson Hybrid S + OEM seat/belts + Schrotch (full ass) 3pt harness? You use the OEM belt (safety) and the Schroth (for stability) at the same time. Would this be 1/4 ass, the same 1/2 ass, or full on jack ass? Serious question.
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Of course, I have aero so I'm cheating a bit
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Oh also, they're specifically stated that they do not work with HANS, most likely due to belt spacing or how load is applied to the shoulders
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I'd rely on the OEM belts with the Hybrid S restraint for safety. So in other words, I'd have the harness and OEM belt on at the same time. I might even wear two socks (1/foot). Unless you are saying that Schroth (that is not for HANS) might interfere with the Hybrid S from doing it's HANS thing? And only gets its HANs groove on either with 3pt seat belt or proper harness/roll bar etc. Like it loses it powers when seeing the 3pt Schroth harness? Last edited by iLuveKetchup; 07-23-2020 at 12:59 PM. |
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Once you get past the novice group, there really shouldn't be "casual track days". At the point where you are looking to gain time, you are, likely up against your own limits as they stand at the time, even if you aren't up against the car's limits. At that point, its time for safety equipment.
It is not a question of whether you need it based on likelihood of an incident. It's whether you think you need it when an incident does happen. What good is it saying you have a 1 in 100 chance of being in a wreck when your next session out you get t-boned by a car that lost its brakes? It makes no sense. You have nearly zero control over what happens around you. Simply put, you can be a very conservative driver (as I am) but that doesn't mean someone near you isn't going to screw it all up--even at HPDE. (Even for novices, two weekends ago I heard about an 86 driver who totaled their car on their first trackway--it happens!) So, knowing that the risk for a catastrophic accident is there, you spend the money for safety equipment. I'm sure many of us pay for collision and/or comprehensive insurance on our cars. That's a pretty big chunk of money in perpetuity to avoid financial loss if something bad should happen--and thats a rare circumstance. Here, safety equipment is not primarily for financial loss (although it may save you hospital, rehab, loss of work related financial effects) but for your own health. That seems like a good place to invest money to me. Spend money on safety equipment as early as possible.
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And then there's the guy who tracked hundreds of times and never even left the tarmac. Statistics do matter, otherwise you'd spend your life in a padded room. Chance of an accident isn't negligible on the street as well. Would you put on a helmet and a HANS to go to Walmart? There's always an element of risk, and everyone has their own level of acceptable risk. I would agree that once you start being competitive (with others or with yourself), risk is greatly increased since you're pushing the limits of the car, the track and yourself.
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No, I wouldn’t put on a helmet and hans to go to Walmart because the risks are very different and driving on the street requires different visual and auditory cues than on track.
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Generally 1 year AFTER the next standard is in production. Back in.. well shit I'm old but some year they came out LATE so 12 year old helmets were legal still.
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Some people chase time but some are in their "just having fun at 8/10ths" stage of life. Those guys won't go back down to Novice. You are describing the individual that is chasing time, period. And yes if they have a dedicated track car they really should be running full safety gear. And you could say someone chasing time should have a dedicated track car. Not all do for whatever reason ($, wife, space, etc). Down here in Florida 25%+ of intermediate and advanced are just guys having fun but have several thousand laps. I've passed their Porsches with a FWD Honda. They aren't close to 10/10ths.
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But 8/10ths in a modern Porsche is still speed at which a mechanical failure, fluid on the track, or another car having an issue is a very dangerous situation. If they are sharing the track with someone that is chasing time, the risks are virtually the same. To a certain extent, this is even true at the novice level given the level of HP people are showing up with. But I can't say that additional safety equipment is a requirement because then no one would start this hobby. Regardless, with some groups, people move out of novice after just a couple events--i.e., learn the flags, the passing signals and track etiquette and then go learn on your own. I recognize not everyone will get better safety equipment or have a dedicated track car--but that is the ideal. EDIT: To better summarize, although chasing time is a reason to have better safety equipment, its not the only one. The risks are there regardless.
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