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LexusFman · 03-22-2011, 01:25 AM

I mean I love the FT-86 as much as the next guy but wouldn't it be better, more financialy responsible and just plain easier for toyota to focus on making it's current lineup of cars sportier? They could build say a 210hp turbo Yaris with a 1NZGTE, put better suspention, a LSD, ect. and BAM type R Si....It would probably be cheaper than a Si also, weigh lighter, and just generaly be awesome. With all of the R&D it would take maybe a year. We could be driving it TODAY! A 200hp Yaris, 300hp Corolla, and a 350hp camry looks better to a enthusiast than a single 200hp RWD sporrts coupe...

Mr.Jay · 03-22-2011, 01:28 AM

i dont want any of that

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Originally Posted by LexusFman

A 200hp Yaris, 300hp Corolla, and a 350hp camry looks better to a enthusiast than a single 200hp RWD sporrts coupe...

you should leave now for your safety

LexusFman · 03-22-2011, 01:37 AM

Alright explain to me why a 200hp civic is better than a 200hp yaris

Ryuu0u · 03-22-2011, 01:41 AM

Some interesting points but doesnt really make too much sense to me as a buyer who would like a light weight traditional sports car.
Only vehicle in the line up worth modifying is the Sienna imo. Swagger wagon it up

Mr.Jay · 03-22-2011, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by LexusFman

Alright explain to me why a 200hp civic is better than a 200hp yaris

Its not but both are inferior to a light weight RWD coupe

Exage · 03-22-2011, 01:44 AM

Nope. You can't simply bolt on a forced induction part if you're a manufacture, for sake of longevity, reliability, maintenance. The r&d and cost of those engines wouldn't justify the production numbers and market. For example, I can't see a market for more than 7,500 monster Yari(spell?) especially with the cost of all the goodies. And in the end it's still a Yaris...

Archer256 · 03-22-2011, 01:54 AM

the ft-86 fills a segment in the auto industry. They can and possibly will make more tuned engines for their other cars and more distinctive designs possibly. But none of them are sport RWD coupes lol

LexusFman · 03-22-2011, 02:01 AM

They could market it as a type r killer in all aspects...
a 200hp yaris would be faster than a 200hp civic because of power to weight
size would be different but still good
It dosen't have to be a GE motor and the R&D wouldn't cost too much considering turbo 1NZFE's at 160hp with no internal strengthining are made by toyota. with more internal strengthening it could easily see 200hp. What im trying to say isnt to make a 200hp yaris or 300hp corolla or whatever but what I'm trying to say is that instead of just putting out one or maybe two sports cars to improve their image as a sports car manufacturer they should make their cars more sporty in general. Just the LFA and the FT86 dosen't cut it.

70NYD · 03-22-2011, 02:10 AM

so let me get this straight.. taking a normal car and adding more power to it makes it more sporty?? are you fucking high?
point of a sports car is that it is designed as such from the start. every aspect of it has been though of and pushed in the performance direction..
what you are suggesting is like taking a mule, shaving it (weight reduction), giving it some roids and entering it in the races.. you REALLY think thats a good idea??

ichitaka05 · 03-22-2011, 02:10 AM

is Yaris rwd? Does have 6sp tranny? Have low center gravity?

yeah... Yaris is nice gas saver car. Let's keep it that way

ryun84 · 03-22-2011, 02:28 AM

I don't think the OP is saying that he likes the Yaris. He's just using that car as an example for the sake of his argument. Interesting topic. But once again, I think I can safely say that most of us would prefer a 200hp RWD lightweight sports coupe to a... let's say, 300hp FWD heavy sedan (factory tuned Camry?). As for the Yaris, it would be a nice competitor to Mini Cooper S's, Civic Si's, etc. You also have to remember that you can't simply make a 200hp Yaris without adding something to the current one. And adding anything, means adding weight. May not be as much of a Type-R killer as one would think.

Mr.Jay · 03-22-2011, 02:31 AM

enthusiast want a car that was designed to be sporty and not a everyday car that has been pumped out to feel sporty

LexusFman · 03-22-2011, 02:43 AM

^ Exactaly. And a Honda Civic Type R IS sporty...I do kind of like the Yaris for what it is but it's no race car lol. And a Honda Civic Type R IS a mule shaved and on roids....And people love that car. IMO the easiest way for Toyota to improve it's image as a sports car manufacturer is to make all of the cars in it's lineup sportier in some way. I think every S or SE model should get a sport tuned suspention, ECU map and sports exaust at least. Incluing the Swagger Wagon lol. But a turbo Yaris wouldn't hurt

Allch Chcar · 03-22-2011, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by LexusFman

^ Exactaly. And a Honda Civic Type R IS sporty...I do kind of like the Yaris for what it is but it's no race car lol. And a Honda Civic Type R IS a mule shaved and on roids....And people love that car. IMO the easiest way for Toyota to improve it's image as a sports car manufacturer is to make all of the cars in it's lineup sportier in some way. I think every S or SE model should get a sport tuned suspention, ECU map and sports exaust at least. Incluing the Swagger Wagon lol. But a turbo Yaris wouldn't hurt

Great idea! But wait it's too late now. They have the FT-86 to work on...

Seriously, if they were going to do that they would have done that from the beginning instead of building a new car IMHO

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03-22-2011, 01:25 AM	#1
LexusFman Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Drives: None Location: Ny and MA, depends Posts: 104 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Wouldn't it be easier... I mean I love the FT-86 as much as the next guy but wouldn't it be better, more financialy responsible and just plain easier for toyota to focus on making it's current lineup of cars sportier? They could build say a 210hp turbo Yaris with a 1NZGTE, put better suspention, a LSD, ect. and BAM type R Si....It would probably be cheaper than a Si also, weigh lighter, and just generaly be awesome. With all of the R&D it would take maybe a year. We could be driving it TODAY! A 200hp Yaris, 300hp Corolla, and a 350hp camry looks better to a enthusiast than a single 200hp RWD sporrts coupe...

03-22-2011, 02:10 AM	#9
70NYD Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Drives: RX8 S1 Location: Brisbane Australia Posts: 1,396 Thanks: 49 Thanked 50 Times in 38 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	so let me get this straight.. taking a normal car and adding more power to it makes it more sporty?? are you fucking high? point of a sports car is that it is designed as such from the start. every aspect of it has been though of and pushed in the performance direction.. what you are suggesting is like taking a mule, shaving it (weight reduction), giving it some roids and entering it in the races.. you REALLY think thats a good idea?? __________________

03-22-2011, 02:10 AM	#10
ichitaka05 Site Moderator Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: ichi 86 Project Location: Middle of No where Posts: 20,966 Thanks: 7,664 Thanked 19,052 Times in 8,327 Posts Mentioned: 677 Post(s) Tagged: 27 Thread(s)	is Yaris rwd? Does have 6sp tranny? Have low center gravity? yeah... Yaris is nice gas saver car. Let's keep it that way __________________

03-22-2011, 01:37 AM	#3
LexusFman Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Drives: None Location: Ny and MA, depends Posts: 104 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Alright explain to me why a 200hp civic is better than a 200hp yaris

03-22-2011, 01:41 AM	#4
Ryuu0u (=^･ｪ･^=) Join Date: Apr 2010 Drives: 2013 FRS, '08 GSXR 600 Location: Spring, TX Posts: 692 Thanks: 28 Thanked 254 Times in 108 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Some interesting points but doesnt really make too much sense to me as a buyer who would like a light weight traditional sports car. Only vehicle in the line up worth modifying is the Sienna imo. Swagger wagon it up

03-22-2011, 01:44 AM	#6
Exage GL 86! Join Date: Mar 2011 Drives: Maybe FR-S... maybe not Location: NA Posts: 356 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Nope. You can't simply bolt on a forced induction part if you're a manufacture, for sake of longevity, reliability, maintenance. The r&d and cost of those engines wouldn't justify the production numbers and market. For example, I can't see a market for more than 7,500 monster Yari(spell?) especially with the cost of all the goodies. And in the end it's still a Yaris...

03-22-2011, 01:54 AM	#7
Archer256 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Drives: TSX Location: US Posts: 173 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 3 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	the ft-86 fills a segment in the auto industry. They can and possibly will make more tuned engines for their other cars and more distinctive designs possibly. But none of them are sport RWD coupes lol

03-22-2011, 02:01 AM	#8
LexusFman Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Drives: None Location: Ny and MA, depends Posts: 104 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	They could market it as a type r killer in all aspects... a 200hp yaris would be faster than a 200hp civic because of power to weight size would be different but still good It dosen't have to be a GE motor and the R&D wouldn't cost too much considering turbo 1NZFE's at 160hp with no internal strengthining are made by toyota. with more internal strengthening it could easily see 200hp. What im trying to say isnt to make a 200hp yaris or 300hp corolla or whatever but what I'm trying to say is that instead of just putting out one or maybe two sports cars to improve their image as a sports car manufacturer they should make their cars more sporty in general. Just the LFA and the FT86 dosen't cut it.

03-22-2011, 02:28 AM	#11
ryun84 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Drives: 04 PSM WRX Wagon Location: Irvine, CA Posts: 385 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I don't think the OP is saying that he likes the Yaris. He's just using that car as an example for the sake of his argument. Interesting topic. But once again, I think I can safely say that most of us would prefer a 200hp RWD lightweight sports coupe to a... let's say, 300hp FWD heavy sedan (factory tuned Camry?). As for the Yaris, it would be a nice competitor to Mini Cooper S's, Civic Si's, etc. You also have to remember that you can't simply make a 200hp Yaris without adding something to the current one. And adding anything, means adding weight. May not be as much of a Type-R killer as one would think.

03-22-2011, 02:31 AM	#12
Mr.Jay Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Drives: FRS :D Location: Vancouver BC Posts: 2,985 Thanks: 545 Thanked 699 Times in 438 Posts Mentioned: 18 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	enthusiast want a car that was designed to be sporty and not a everyday car that has been pumped out to feel sporty

03-22-2011, 02:43 AM	#13
LexusFman Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Drives: None Location: Ny and MA, depends Posts: 104 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	^ Exactaly. And a Honda Civic Type R IS sporty...I do kind of like the Yaris for what it is but it's no race car lol. And a Honda Civic Type R IS a mule shaved and on roids....And people love that car. IMO the easiest way for Toyota to improve it's image as a sports car manufacturer is to make all of the cars in it's lineup sportier in some way. I think every S or SE model should get a sport tuned suspention, ECU map and sports exaust at least. Incluing the Swagger Wagon lol. But a turbo Yaris wouldn't hurt

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