Easier driving with trac - off?

[johnnyfast11]

this thread is not helping the community

[stugray]

Originally Posted by johnnyfast11

this thread is not helping the community

So what does that say about someone who would post a useless post in a useless thread?

[carma143]

Even when you press the buttons so TC/VSC is "off" it's not turned completely off. Unless the "pedal dance" or the correct fuse is taken out, you're still being nannied just a bit. If you are about to spin out the computer will still intervene (from what I've read online through various forums discussions).

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by stugray

Look at it another way:
I had my car all day long on the track for a HPDE.
My teenage son & I shared sessions with a professional driving instructor.

I never turned off ANY of the systems
Yet - we still drove the crap out of the car and had a ton of fun doing it.
learned more than a year's worth of driving on the street under any circumstances.
rarely engaged the systems

And under the small number of cases where it DID step in, it saved us from a spin that would have meant a stop in the hot pit for a tech inspect..

So - Anyone who says that they drive conservatively on the street and keep getting stepped on by the nannies should get their system checked out.

Good for you.

You've never had a little fun on an empty backroad? A highway offramp? Driven over the speed limit?

Trust me I know plenty about car control. No TC/ABS/VSC......anything except ME! It's a shock I didn't die!



Couldn't find any pics, but I used to go to the track on this as well.

[Stang70Fastback]

Originally Posted by carma143

Even when you press the buttons so TC/VSC is "off" it's not turned completely off. Unless the "pedal dance" or the correct fuse is taken out, you're still being nannied just a bit. If you are about to spin out the computer will still intervene (from what I've read online through various forums discussions).

Someone will have to confirm this. I'd always been led to believe that the twins were one of the few modern vehicles that actually did allow you to entirely shut off those systems (holding the TCS button for 3 seconds.)

[Pkush]

It's not the TSC button but rather the "pedal dance" (posted somewhere on the forum)...sequence of pedal presses and button presses

[Ultramaroon]

Here's a good thread - The "Pedal Dance" testing

[VacantSky]

I'm going to disagree with this:

IF the nannies on this car are interfering with your "driving style" on the street - Then you are overdriving the car. (translation - you drive like an ass-hat).

As soon as I leave my apartment to go anywhere there's a stop sign and a 90 degree right turn onto the high street. A lot of the time it is very greasy there, with some small loose rocks. If I pull out from the stop normally, with nanny's the car bogs down A LOT, it almost feels as if it is stalling. Pull out in the same manner without nanny's, the inside rear wheel noticeably kicks because of the greasyness/rocks. This isn't driving too hard, it's normal driving. Now because that wheel is kicking it's allowing the outside rear tire to spin at it's intended speed with traction giving me traction to perform the turn - If the car was open diff with traction control I'm willing to bet that if I made that corner with nanny's on, I wouldn't get intervention. It's the nature of the LSD.

I dare anyone to go into a large open space area/parking lot with loose gravel, the traction completely off and make a tight turn driving normally. You're going to hear the LSD want to spin both wheels at the same speed, with the inside wheel slipping slightly. Traction on and you'll be getting cut throttle.

Driving with nanny's on at the track it going to harm your lap times. Period. Pushing the car with the nanny's is not going to teach you anything about controlling the vehicle, in fact it's going to make you rely on them to make sure you don't lose the car. They intervene before the car noticeably is going to lose control. And with that being said this car is very easy to control. That's the bases to how it was built. Fun, lightweight FR layout, easy to kick the rear out, and easy to control when it does step out. I'm not saying it's better to drive with or without nanny's. If you know how to handle a car: your car, you might just be better off without them for low speed maneuvers.

And that pedal dance statement is wrong. I can do donuts all day long with just the 5 second button hold and no traction control ever interrupts me. Do I do it? No. Now with just the traction button held for 5 seconds, if the ECU deems the car to be operating without control (ie big bump and a wheel lifts, or left foot braking) it will turn the nanny's back on. But between turning it off, and not controlling the car to the point the ECU turns the traction back on you will not have traction interference. The pedal dances main function eliminates electronic brake force distribution, and the "panic brake" function - which is a function that monitors how much the pedal is depressed, if it is pushed but so far it will apply as much force to the brakes as it can to get you to a stop as quickly as possible, as it thinks you are panic braking to come to a stop quickly. Technically it's a diagnostic mode. The pedal dance should only be used at the track by people who know what they are doing.

info here:
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showp...89&postcount=1

[FRSBRZGT86FAN]

Originally Posted by Stang70Fastback

Someone will have to confirm this. I'd always been led to believe that the twins were one of the few modern vehicles that actually did allow you to entirely shut off those systems (holding the TCS button for 3 seconds.)

Yea but seasoned drivers noticed that is still is getting involved so the only way to fully disable it along with pretty much everything except ABS is to do the pedal dance

[Elkton86er]

How did I survive 25+ years of driving without nannies???

Hmm...well I did have 175 HP, but it was in a Dodge Dakota pickup (heavy). Had a lightweight sedan, but it only had 110 HP.

I think I'm glad I have the nannies on this car...

[Ganthrithor]

I just use sport mode for my road driving. The default setting can get annoying on CA roads: they're horribly surfaced and can trigger the default TC program during very normal driving. Sport mode gives plenty of room for even spirited road driving. Occasionally if I'm pushing very hard (for the street), I'll get the blinking light for a second, but the car doesn't feel like it's actually intervening. On very rare occasions, I'll push the car hard enough that the light will blink and I can feel the throttle being manipulated, or a momentary pulse of one wheel's brake, but in my experience it's very rare for that to happen unexpectedly.

I've never driven the car in snow, but I'd venture a guess that I'd want to do low-speed snow driving with the computers off. In my experience, computers can easily get confused and/or overly meddlesome in the snow. Sometimes going a bit sideways is just the best way to do something in the snow without slowing to obscenely slow speeds. It's OK, computer. We're doing 15mph here. Go have a hot cocoa and take the rest of the day off: I've got this.

[Ultramaroon]

Fitter, happier...

[stugray]

Originally Posted by Ganthrithor

I just use sport mode for my road driving. The default setting can get annoying on CA roads: they're horribly surfaced and can trigger the default TC program during very normal driving. Sport mode gives plenty of room for even spirited road driving. Occasionally if I'm pushing very hard (for the street), I'll get the blinking light for a second, but the car doesn't feel like it's actually intervening. On very rare occasions, I'll push the car hard enough that the light will blink and I can feel the throttle being manipulated, or a momentary pulse of one wheel's brake, but in my experience it's very rare for that to happen unexpectedly.

I've never driven the car in snow, but I'd venture a guess that I'd want to do low-speed snow driving with the computers off. In my experience, computers can easily get confused and/or overly meddlesome in the snow. Sometimes going a bit sideways is just the best way to do something in the snow without slowing to obscenely slow speeds. It's OK, computer. We're doing 15mph here. Go have a hot cocoa and take the rest of the day off: I've got this.

If you disable the systems, they CAN re-enable themselves and step in and intervene.
I know there is also an Ice mode that has been debated if it gets inhibited with TC/VSC off.

I have personally experienced the car do the exact wrong thing under the circumstances while "disabled".

I think that it waited longer than usual to intervene, but I had already recovered when it killed the throttle and I snap-in-oversteered into a spin.
On ice with the primacy's - Never again. Just got my new winter hankooks just a few hours ago

[Churnobyl]

I drive bareback when I'm on roads I know, at (mostly) reasonable speeds in warm dry conditions. However when I'm with a new road or doing something I know is stupid I throw a condom on. Common sense.

I'm on Michelin PSS and while they are awesome above 50 degrees its down to about 30 this week and they are hard as rocks, Traction control for me is a must to even keep rubber down. Its a very different driving experience.

This all comes down to personal preference. For me it depends on what I'm after, a safe commute in a downpour on cold roads. Or do I want to go out on a Saturday and leave rubber at a few stop lights?