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10-24-2014, 11:53 PM | #29 |
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lol, it's a knock off in the sense that the greddy stamped is knocked off.
gotta suck to be the guy that paid an extra 1k for greddy stamp.
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lol the most realistic scenario unless greddy came on the board and said they have never ever gdealt with zage. oh wait did they? who knows anymore with all the threads getting deleted!! |
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10-25-2014, 12:06 PM | #32 |
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Greddy just came on and said Zage wasn't making their kits, not that they have never had a relationship with them.
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10-25-2014, 05:56 PM | #33 | |
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Law's pretty loose on knockoffs, but you outright counterfeit at brand name and you take a lot of shit. Says to me that these guys are selling parts from a counterfeiter and doing the bare minimum to make them 'legal' for import.
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10-25-2014, 09:52 PM | #34 |
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Greddy posted there side of the story. Here it is word for word. These are not my words.
"We have been getting calls and emails regrading our GReddy Turbo kit vs Speed by Design Turbo kit so we would like to clarify this once and for all. First of all, GReddy Performance Products, Inc and our parent company Trust co. Ltd in Japan has no business relationship with Speed by Design or their turbo kit supplier Zage Turbo in Taiwan. In the post made by Speed by Design promoting their kit for the FR-S, people are confused on who manufactures our kit and why ZAGE/SBD kit are so similar in design with our kit. The kit Zage and SBD are selling is a direct copy of our product except for the airfilter and BOV. ZAGE pretty much took our kit and copied everything down to manifold, intercooler layout even to cast piping, brackets and heat shields. If you look at our kit and compare them to kit from Zage/SBD, you will see that they are identical. We use genuine GReddy Turbo custom made by Mitsubishi Heavy Industry Turbocharger in Japan to our spec, we invest many hours testing for the ideal turbo spec, manifold design, intercooler and piping layout. Also invested in all the tooling and molds for all the components included in our kit. While testing these kit we have also designed other necessary components such as the oil cooler kit which is a must for this application. Knockoff companies are not capable of this. Companies such as Zage without any R&D to develop their own products, simply takes other companies products and mass produce them in China and Taiwan where it is much cheaper to produce and offer these products back in to the market profiting off other companies hard work. If you look at other forced induction kits in the market for FR-S/BRZ you will see many different layout and setups made by each designers, fabricators and tuners. GReddy Kit is our original kit designed and developed by our own R&D team and manufactured by Trust Co. Ltd. in Japan. and if there are identical products our there it is not a coincidence. We have visited Zage in Taiwan and confronted them about the kit they are producing and all they could do was make up excuses and was desperately trying to earn our business so they can make the claim they supply to us as well. We were not going to let that happen. Instead we teamed up with Garrett this year to add another high quality products to our product line up. We are in the process of developing new kits as we speak. No China or Taiwan knock off turbochargers will be used in our GReddy kits! So to answer many question we get from this FT86Club community and other FR-S and BRZ clubs, GReddy Turbo kit for the FR-S/BRZ is not from the same supplier as Speed by Design and what Zage and its distributors are selling is a complete knockoff product of GReddy. (expect for the air filter, BOV and other minor features). We hope Ft86Club and its members respect our efforts and hard work to deliver quality products to this community and let us tell the truth regards these knockoff products such as what is being sold by Zage and its distributors. We recommend everyone in this forum that before you spend your hard earned money, do the research and make sure you fully are aware of what you are buying and what kind of companies you are supporting. "
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If they copied the cast, I want to know why they thought it was a good idea to keep the big ass greddy logo and grind it down.
I'm assuming they either have one of the casts or they get the piping from someone who does. Does every SBD kit have that ground down logo?
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Piracy and theft is certainly not free market capitalism. The market "corrects" itself by companies being exposed for what they are. "Write off R&D expenditures"? Sorry, but no; it doesn't work that way.
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but even if we assume that they absolutely had no business relationship at all as greddy claims and this really is a clear case of design / ip infringement the cost of getting a judgment in the US and getting it enforced in Taiwan would be pretty high. sbd have sold a total of what, 50+ kits in the US? i agree though - something else is going on - but then again i love my conspiracy theories! |
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We know that Greddy put in the R&D for the kit. We know that Sage is putting out a forgery/clone/copy/rip-off of the kit. Not too hard to connect the dots here..
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Charge more because you truly have a product, service, or process that sets you apart from competitors. If what you make can be provided by some other company for less, and their product is inferior, let the consumer beware. If the product is of comparable quality and the only differentiator is "we did the R&D and deserve to be paid more but we don't have a legal leg to stand on to enforce it" then you're doing something wrong. Not targeting this at you, just speaking rhetorically since I see this argument a lot for some of the brands on here (many of which I've personally spent money on, don't get me wrong.) Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk |
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