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Overblown, the Brembo BBS package is mostly for bling most who actually track/autox their cars will agree. If you care about performance you'll save $3.4k and not get that. More pads will be available for stock calipers I'd bet than OE style Brembos (one will have a lot more running around on the street with higher demand for high performance pads unless the Brembo's use a super common shape, not usually when they're sold as OE) and I'd be willing to gamble RPF1's are lighter as a second set of track wheels.
The 86 retails at a bit under $27k, MX-5 RF Club a bit under $33k, $6k difference is nothing to sneeze at, but nowhere near $10k if you actually care about performance value. Same thing when everybody around here was also throwing out similar numbers for the soft-top MX-5 when they were like $33k for a fully loaded club, any excuse to try and make their purchase seem like it wasn't 'wrong' since the MX-5 is faster. |
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No, all hellcat owners are bad drivers.
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Even that is debatable. There are all kinds of people of different skill levels and even advanced class drivers have lots of room to improve.
I was promoted from novice to intermediate last year and I remember the other intermediate guys were so much quicker than I was when I first entered the class but just this last weekend, I was promoted to advanced class. After a single session with the advanced drivers, I feel slow again. There are people who were already in intermediate class when I joined and are still in it now that I have been promoted. The primary difference is that I've gotten more seat time and instruction than they have so I am improving faster than they are. |
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We all know this only to well. I wonder if anyone has ever replaced the original set of Primacy's with another aside from those who get tires replaced at the dealership? It's a shame that a better tire choice isn't offered by the factory as part of a performance package just to mitigate the perpetual second place finishes in all these comparison tests.
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"The Potenza S001 is Bridgestone's Max Performance Summer tire developed as Original Equipment for premium high-performance sports cars, coupes and sedans. The Potenza S001 is designed to combine low rolling resistance efficiency with maximum sports performance in dry and wet conditions. However, like all summer tires, they are not intended to be driven in near freezing temperatures, through snow or on ice." The S04 has a more aggressive description, same treadwear rating, cheaper. "The Potenza S-04 Pole Position is Bridgestone's Max Performance Summer tire developed for the drivers of ultra high performance sports cars, coupes and sedans who want to feel the rush of driving their vehicle. Potenza S-04 Pole Position tires are designed to perform in warm, wet and dry conditions. However like all summer tires, they are not intended to be driven in near freezing temperatures, through snow or on ice." |
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Given that the Primacy HP's are way off the pace of the best max performance summer tires (not surprising given the Primacy's aren't even classified as "performance" tires to begin with), this question seems destined to be asked in every track test.
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I don't doubt that like the MPSS and Conti could be something like a second faster than the Primacy, but not much more than that. |
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Yeah there was a Consumer Reports test on the MPSS upgrade on an FR-S (set a then-CR record on one of their handling tests with the new tires) and there was a Sport Auto track test on the RE050A upgrade on a GT86 (dropped 2 seconds per lap on a 1:20 course). I don't have any experience with the RE050A's, but the MPSS is a decently quick street tire on track before it overheats/disintegrates.
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Don't get me wrong, I don't doubt >1s can be gained with a tire swap to a streetable tire, my MPSS are about 2s slower than my RE71R's around a 40-50s autox course without changing anything else. And I'd bet the Primacy are at least half a second, maybe a full second slower than the MPSS. The thing I doubt is "oh the Miata does so well because the Primacy's are shit *priustyrememes* and the Bridgestone were on the LFA so they must be great" Last edited by strat61caster; 06-02-2017 at 08:56 PM. |
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