2nd Gear Syncro Problem - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

nashsnazzy · 10-08-2012, 11:36 AM

I've driven manuals for the better part of 18 years now. I'm used to 2nd gear in most of my cars being a bit stiff when it is cold out. 2nd gear in my FR-S is stiff all of the time. Most of the time it sounds and feels like it is grinding when I put it in gear. I haven't missed a shift of anything like that and my car has less than 1500 miles on it. What do you all think? Is this normal or is my tranny bad?

FRiSson · 10-08-2012, 12:43 PM

Lots of threads on this. It is not unusual. There seems to be no technical fix, though some have claimed that a change of oil type fixes all (snake oil perhaps?).

OmarGC · 10-08-2012, 01:17 PM

Yeah mine does it all the time, and when it's cold(not outside temp) its terrible.

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rice_classic · 10-08-2012, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by FRiSson

Lots of threads on this. It is not unusual. There seems to be no technical fix, though some have claimed that a change of oil type fixes all (snake oil perhaps?).

Not snake oil, just a different transmission fluid.

I use this with great success. I use this in my race car, my street cars and my old AP1 S2000 with great success and never had any of the famous "2nd gear crunch" in my S2K that most S2k owners get.

One user has great success with this: Pentosin MTF-2

dsmx17 · 10-08-2012, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by rice_classic

Not snake oil, just a different transmission fluid.

I use this with great success. I use this in my race car, my street cars and my old AP1 S2000 with great success and never had any of the famous "2nd gear crunch" in my S2K that most S2k owners get.

One user has great success with this: Pentosin MTF-2

those are both great products, ive always preferred BG products but have used the above as well with good results

nashsnazzy · 10-11-2012, 11:02 PM

I dont know if my 2nd gear is worse than you alls or not. Its bad, really bad, and I dont know how long it will last in its current state. Yesterday, I did a granny shift from 2nd to 3rd. The clutch was depressed the entire time and the transmission started to grind really bad. I've never had a manual that behaved like this.

If I run the engine up high and shift fast it feels pretty good. Is this transmission used in other subaru cars?

gmookher · 10-11-2012, 11:08 PM

mines butter...

mact · 10-11-2012, 11:21 PM

I have followed the trick of shifting into neutral first before going into 2nd and it works every time. But 2nd for me is smooth once the car is warm.

I may replace the fluid with a Redline brand fluid, which completely got rid of my grinding in my Civic Si.

xwd · 10-12-2012, 10:06 AM

I haven't had issues with any gears, at right around 3000 miles. I used the Redline Shockproof fluid with good success in other vehicles.

The transmission isn't used in any Subarus, but is similar to the transmission used in some other Toyota models. It's made by Alsin. It is a brand new car, it shouldn't have any grinding issues really, and it has a warranty so I would use it.

whtchocla7e · 10-12-2012, 10:54 AM

2nd gear a bit more difficult here as well.

I don't mind it that much though.

AJ PwR · 10-13-2012, 12:39 AM

I have similar issue. When I shift from 1st to 2nd and up shift to 6th on the high way, it's very notchy and it feels like it it will grind but it didn't. My car has 4500km and I replaced the fluid to redline MT90 but it didn't help too much !

Azzaboynt · 10-13-2012, 02:31 AM

Check to see if you actually HAVE any tranny oil... There's been a few cases where the car was delivered from the factory with no oil.

AJ PwR · 10-13-2012, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Azzaboynt

Check to see if you actually HAVE any tranny oil... There's been a few cases where the car was delivered from the factory with no oil.

Are you serious ? This my first Subaru/Toyota in my life !!!! It never happen in any of my Mitsubishi, Honda and Nissan.......

WolfsFang · 10-13-2012, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by AJ PwR

Are you serious ? This my first Subaru/Toyota in my life !!!! It never happen in any of my Mitsubishi, Honda and Nissan.......

yes there was a thread on here about someone tranny failing. The issue was no oil from the factory.

10-08-2012, 11:36 AM	#1
nashsnazzy Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Drives: 2013 Scion FR-S White Out Location: Nashville Posts: 136 Thanks: 8 Thanked 30 Times in 25 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	2nd Gear Syncro Problem I've driven manuals for the better part of 18 years now. I'm used to 2nd gear in most of my cars being a bit stiff when it is cold out. 2nd gear in my FR-S is stiff all of the time. Most of the time it sounds and feels like it is grinding when I put it in gear. I haven't missed a shift of anything like that and my car has less than 1500 miles on it. What do you all think? Is this normal or is my tranny bad?

10-08-2012, 01:17 PM	#3
OmarGC My FR-S has 5 gears Join Date: Aug 2012 Drives: FRS/280z/Tundra Location: St. Louis Posts: 1,994 Thanks: 626 Thanked 1,065 Times in 572 Posts Mentioned: 49 Post(s) Tagged: 3 Thread(s)	Yeah mine does it all the time, and when it's cold(not outside temp) its terrible. Sent from my PC36100 using Tapatalk 2 __________________ Omar GC 2JZ - 6870 - stock block - 1000whp? Instagram: 2jzus

10-11-2012, 11:21 PM	#8
mact Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Drives: 13 GTI Location: WI Posts: 416 Thanks: 119 Thanked 204 Times in 97 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I have followed the trick of shifting into neutral first before going into 2nd and it works every time. But 2nd for me is smooth once the car is warm. I may replace the fluid with a Redline brand fluid, which completely got rid of my grinding in my Civic Si. __________________

10-12-2012, 10:54 AM	#10
whtchocla7e Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Drives: 2013 FR-S Hot Lava Location: CT Posts: 424 Thanks: 30 Thanked 222 Times in 81 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	2nd gear a bit more difficult here as well. I don't mind it that much though. __________________ Live to drive another day

10-13-2012, 02:31 AM	#12
Azzaboynt Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: Red 86 GTS Auto Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 33 Thanks: 8 Thanked 10 Times in 4 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Check to see if you actually HAVE any tranny oil... There's been a few cases where the car was delivered from the factory with no oil. __________________ Current drive: 2012 Toyota 86 GTS

10-08-2012, 12:43 PM	#2
FRiSson Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: FR-S MT Location: New England Posts: 1,081 Thanks: 118 Thanked 483 Times in 241 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Lots of threads on this. It is not unusual. There seems to be no technical fix, though some have claimed that a change of oil type fixes all (snake oil perhaps?).

10-11-2012, 11:02 PM	#6
nashsnazzy Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Drives: 2013 Scion FR-S White Out Location: Nashville Posts: 136 Thanks: 8 Thanked 30 Times in 25 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I dont know if my 2nd gear is worse than you alls or not. Its bad, really bad, and I dont know how long it will last in its current state. Yesterday, I did a granny shift from 2nd to 3rd. The clutch was depressed the entire time and the transmission started to grind really bad. I've never had a manual that behaved like this. If I run the engine up high and shift fast it feels pretty good. Is this transmission used in other subaru cars?

10-11-2012, 11:08 PM	#7
gmookher Banned Join Date: Aug 2012 Drives: VortechSC,BorlaEL,Perrin,GCRace Location: HighHeatHighAltitudeAZ,USA Posts: 2,254 Thanks: 458 Thanked 669 Times in 394 Posts Mentioned: 9 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	mines butter...

10-12-2012, 10:06 AM	#9
xwd Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Drives: 2013 DGM Subaru BRZ (Subie #9) Location: ATL, US Posts: 2,667 Thanks: 123 Thanked 860 Times in 552 Posts Mentioned: 32 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I haven't had issues with any gears, at right around 3000 miles. I used the Redline Shockproof fluid with good success in other vehicles. The transmission isn't used in any Subarus, but is similar to the transmission used in some other Toyota models. It's made by Alsin. It is a brand new car, it shouldn't have any grinding issues really, and it has a warranty so I would use it.

10-13-2012, 12:39 AM	#11
AJ PwR Join Date: Jan 2012 Drives: R35 R56 CZ4A ZC6 Location: Vancouver B.C. Posts: 284 Thanks: 1 Thanked 190 Times in 77 Posts Mentioned: 6 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I have similar issue. When I shift from 1st to 2nd and up shift to 6th on the high way, it's very notchy and it feels like it it will grind but it didn't. My car has 4500km and I replaced the fluid to redline MT90 but it didn't help too much !

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