HKS Intake?

[igorot]

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by spiller

Those HKS mushrooms are noted for being HUGELY inefficiencent. Supposedly one of the worst aftermarket filters money can buy, so much so that it has been nicknamed the "death shroom". All it is is a piece of coloured foam.

Plus, without moving it to cold air, all its going to do is suck in hot engine bay air. You'll actually be worse of with of these as opposed to your stock arrangement and obiously $350-$450 poorer.

They use to disintegrate too. Hopefully they fixed tht issue.

Has anyone made a good intake with velocity stacks yet? Or just a bunch of filters on a stick?

[eikond]

Ooooh.. it's so shiny and says HKS on it!!


I swear I'm in the wrong line of work... I need to start making aftermarket parts in stainless steel or carbon fiber with a fancy logo on them. Clearly you don't need to improve actual performance to sell parts...

[Don@Accelerated]

A problem with this design is that unless it removes the factory horn and replaces with something else, its not picking up the HP it should. It is a little pricey in my opinion for a pipe.

We gained 1-2hp regularly by removing the bumper horn alone.

-Don

[Swift Racing Technologies]

Typical simple pipe and filter like almost everyone else is doing.

With absolute no R&D behind it.

There are some really nice items in development that will be released in the very near future, the smart people will wait. This is a perfect example where the saying "patience is a virtue" plays a huge roll.

[ill86]

Originally Posted by Swift Racing Technologies

Typical simple pipe and filter like almost everyone else is doing.

With absolute no R&D behind it.

There are some really nice items in development that will be released in the very near future, the smart people will wait. This is a perfect example where the saying "patience is a virtue" plays a huge roll.

So HKS isn't doing R&D? :-/

[Swift Racing Technologies]

Originally Posted by ill86

So HKS isn't doing R&D? :-/

Take a long look at pic on post #15. Where is the R&D? It is in the fitment and looks of a shiny pipe to replace the stock rubber pipe. Really?

[ill86]

Originally Posted by Swift Racing Technologies

Take a long look at pic on post #15. Where is the R&D? It is in the fitment and looks of a shiny pipe to replace the stock rubber pipe. Really?

Yep, HKS certainly doesn't know what they're doing. What are they lacking in design? Atleast they aren't putting the element in a hot engine bay. It works. Doesn't need to be a ground breaking reinvention of the air cleaner assy...

So, what would you do differently when designing your intake? My reply was to suggest constructive criticism instead of knocking a premier Japan tuning house.

" The HKS Premium Line of Suction kits are for those who want maximum performance out of their intake system, but do not want to change any of the intake characteristics. This particular kit keeps the factory air box, replaces the factory air filter with a high flow foam filter, and replaces the factory plastic intake pipe with a hard pipe."

^ Their intent was to keep it simple. They suceeded..

[Laika]

Originally Posted by ill86

Yep, HKS certainly doesn't know what they're doing. What are they lacking in design? Atleast they aren't putting the element in a hot engine bay. It works. Doesn't need to be a ground breaking reinvention of the air cleaner assy...

So, what would you do differently when designing your intake? My reply was to suggest constructive criticism instead of knocking a premier Japan tuning house.

" The HKS Premium Line of Suction kits are for those who want maximum performance out of their intake system, but do not want to change any of the intake characteristics. This particular kit keeps the factory air box, replaces the factory air filter with a high flow foam filter, and replaces the factory plastic intake pipe with a hard pipe."

^ Their intent was to keep it simple. They suceeded..

From what I can tell...


That's the equivalent of saying an FRS priced at $40k is worth your respect and support because Scion reached their goal of making a simple car. The stock piping probably does the job 95% the same as the HKS job here and it saves you $400....?

[ill86]

What?! Lol

No body is forcing HKS intakes on anyone. If it's too much $, don't buy it. My initial reply was to ask what R&D was missed in their successful attempt at making a replacement pipe and conical filter inside the oem box.

In other words. They have created a simple "intake" replacement.

[Jason@Nameless]

Originally Posted by Pscylo

The shroom is inside the airbox, but technically since it uses the stock airbox, you could use whatever drop in filter you wanted....instead of the shroom.

? How do they put the filter inside the airbox while simultaneously using that billet MAF housing? They'd have to plug the OE MAF boss on the filter box. As far as I can tell that's just a short ram straight off the front of the motor. Similar to the design we've prototyped but we're running a shroud to the factory inlet as well. And no turbokillerdeathshroom filter. HKS makes some great products. Their intakes have never been known for being great. They're car jewelry.

As for the questions about an air horn vs. a filter on a stick, most decent conical filters on the market have the air horn feature built into the outlet flange on the filter.

J

[Pscylo]

Was just going off of what was shown as well as parts in the kit. I did see the exact same kit on another site with a drop in filter instead of the shroom, but looked to be that same sponge filter material...

[Swift Racing Technologies]

Originally Posted by ill86

Yep, HKS certainly doesn't know what they're doing. What are they lacking in design? Atleast they aren't putting the element in a hot engine bay. It works. Doesn't need to be a ground breaking reinvention of the air cleaner assy...
So, what would you do differently when designing your intake? My reply was to suggest constructive criticism instead of knocking a premier Japan tuning house.
" The HKS Premium Line of Suction kits are for those who want maximum performance out of their intake system, but do not want to change any of the intake characteristics. This particular kit keeps the factory air box, replaces the factory air filter with a high flow foam filter, and replaces the factory plastic intake pipe with a hard pipe."
^ Their intent was to keep it simple. They suceeded..

Oh, where to begin, my post definitely did not say that HKS does not know what they are doing.
Quite the opposite, they literally took less than an hour designing the intake for this car, using the stock MAF housing and filter box ensures them that the A/F will be unaffected and keep their cost extremely low.
Replace the stock filter element with a fallapartincoupleofmonthsfoam element, slap on an HKS sticker put it in a pink/purple box and tell you this the the "maximum performance" out of an intake system, but it is HKS so you will pay a premium, bend over and smile at the same time. They definitely know what they are doing!
First of all let's clear something up very quick, their intake is a replacement PIPE for the stock "System", it is not an "Intake System". (needed to get that off my chest")
Every consumer should ask EVERY manufacturer for R&D data, (good manufacturers will provide this data without you even asking for it) just like people demand dyno charts with A/F graphs from every other company, HKS should do the same. Let's see their R&D data, if they do not provide one then no proper R&D was done for this particular item.
On the other hand HKS does make some really nice products, we have been and continue to use them.
As far as what we would do differently, well, wait a couple of weeks once we have actually finished our R&D we will make a nice post with all the pictures, videos, dyno, A/F charts etc.

Originally Posted by Laika

From what I can tell...
That's the equivalent of saying an FRS priced at $40k is worth your respect and support because Scion reached their goal of making a simple car. The stock piping probably does the job 95% the same as the HKS job here and it saves you $400....?

No, you are wrong! We are talking about the HKS "Intake System", you pay your US$ for my JDM parts! NOW!!!

Originally Posted by ill86

What?! Lol
No body is forcing HKS intakes on anyone. If it's too much $, don't buy it. My initial reply was to ask what R&D was missed in their successful attempt at making a replacement pipe and conical filter inside the oem box.
In other words. They have created a simple "intake" replacement.

Any my initial post was what R&D was actually performed to create this "simple" "intake system" that demands $$$$

Originally Posted by Jason@Nameless

? How do they put the filter inside the airbox while simultaneously using that billet MAF housing? They'd have to plug the OE MAF boss on the filter box. As far as I can tell that's just a short ram straight off the front of the motor. Similar to the design we've prototyped but we're running a shroud to the factory inlet as well. And no turbokillerdeathshroom filter. HKS makes some great products. Their intakes have never been known for being great. They're car jewelry.
As for the questions about an air horn vs. a filter on a stick, most decent conical filters on the market have the air horn feature built into the outlet flange on the filter.
J

See below.

Originally Posted by Pscylo

Was just going off of what was shown as well as parts in the kit. I did see the exact same kit on another site with a drop in filter instead of the shroom, but looked to be that same sponge filter material...

I believe that there is confusion as to what exactly is available from HKS is it a short ram style intake or a replacement pipe with a drop in filter element.

[WillieRX]

Modern day fuel injected engines really don't need aftermarket intakes for performance. The stock one developed by the engineers are actually pretty darn good these days. Also, it has metal plumbing, which will retain engine heat more then the stock plastic plumbing, and increasing intake temperatures. That is not something you want, and probably will hurt performance more then help. Also, modern day mass airflow setups seem to be quite picky, and adjusting the plumbing from the stock setup could affect A/F ratios.

I think all you need is a good panel filter (like the TRD one). I still have the stock air-box and intake plumbing on my WRX, and have the STi panel filter. I plan on keeping the stock intake setup even after I throw on a bigger turbo and intercooler, etc... because the stock one is pretty darn good and can handle 400+ HP without issue.