2014 86CUP Challenge to NorCal with NCRC

[MyRx]

@AyJay, thanks for the inputs. Exactly the kind of info warrantying this event. In short, ft86cup has a different format that may differ from what you have experienced. One of the major differences is that the first and last session are not counted - it's the sessions in between them where the fastest lap is counted and used.

Chrono runs until the very last session. This 86cup will give you the first session to warm up and the last session to do what you like - neither is counted. Rather conservative idea to the majority of 86 owners that are just getting into tracking.

[garfull]

Originally Posted by oofie

2:04 in Thunderhill? I know smmmurf did 2:15.87 in an almost stock BRZ about a year ago, and that was almost on edge all corners.

yup, they announced it during the time attack over the PA. the owner lent it to his friend to run the time attack.

Originally Posted by AyJay

2:04 is pretty impressive if it was "mostly stock". Know what kind of tires the owner was running?

mostly stock, i think all he had was unichip, brakes, and wheels. most of the cars in the time attack were fully build race cars so that's why the announcer was shocked at the time.

owner is from southbay and goes to the southbay meets i'll have to ask if i see him.

[AyJay]

Originally Posted by MyRx

@AyJay, thanks for the inputs. Exactly the kind of info warrantying this event. In short, ft86cup has a different format that may differ from what you have experienced. One of the major differences is that the first and last session are not counted - it's the sessions in between them where the fastest lap is counted and used.

Chrono runs until the very last session. This 86cup will give you the first session to warm up and the last session to do what you like - neither is counted. Rather conservative idea to the majority of 86 owners that are just getting into tracking.

Interesting ideas. Chrono format was the 1st session was your warm up, the 2nd was qualifying in order to determine the grid order, and the last 3 were the sessions that counted. I've observed that many people would set their best lap in qualifying (especially true in summer) when the track surface was still somewhat cool. Your next best chance was the end of the day session when the ambient temp would start to come down from the peak of the day. In the proposed format you lose the chance at the end of the day so you better make it count in your 1st scored session.

[RehabJeff86]

Originally Posted by garfull

Sub'd. Will spectate especially if @RehabJeff86 is in.

No wonder thats why there was so many s2000s and e30 bmws at thunderhill yesterday. Speedsf was running a time attack. Someone hit 2:04 in a pretty much stock frs.

They put similar time cars in the same run group during the time attack. It was pretty cool to watch.

Originally Posted by oofie

2:04 in Thunderhill? I know smmmurf did 2:15.87 in an almost stock BRZ about a year ago, and that was almost on edge all corners.

2:04 thats amazing time!!

[zeviance]

Originally Posted by oofie

2:04 in Thunderhill? I know smmmurf did 2:15.87 in an almost stock BRZ about a year ago, and that was almost on edge all corners.

I don't think 2"04 in stock is remotely possible. Couple reasons.

1. My friend ran 2"12 with my car yesterday and he's pretty damn good, my car is mostly stock.

2. 2"04 is around the time for m3s and mildly modded s2k, we're talking about a difference at least 50 - 150 hp. Given the track at thunderhill has less corners than other tracks like laguna seca, straightaway speed becomes a large factor in going fast, and our car is just not good in going fast on straights.

[zeviance]

It could be possible with R-Comp tires, but if that's the case it's no longer stock in my opinion.

[oofie]

Originally Posted by zeviance

It could be possible with R-Comp tires, but if that's the case it's no longer stock in my opinion.

This is a 2:04 run in Thunderhill with NT-01's. Although they are on a Spyder

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MCAMKl5_DU&list=UUL-Rm-7D8xHVNA8Al7KmZtQ"]Boxster Spyder 2:04 lap time @ Thunderhill over the crows nest - YouTube[/ame]

[AyJay]

Still debating whether or not I will throw my hat in as anything more than a part time particpant. I bought my FR-S as a fun, cush DD so I can go more track oriented with my other car.

I'm going to assume the NorCal 86 Chrono will use the same ruleset as the SoCal series. http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52982

I'm may be hesitant mod my FR-S up to the level of the "Street Modified" class and it appears the lowering springs I will install after 2/7 (T'hill day) coupled with my 225 tires already disqualifies me from stock.

[Cjymiller]

I think the 2.04 was with the bypass on Turn 5

[garfull]

yes they were running the bypass, important detail. Ill update the original post.

Originally Posted by Cjymiller

I think the 2.04 was with the bypass on Turn 5

[smmmurf]

Originally Posted by oofie

2:04 in Thunderhill? I know smmmurf did 2:15.87 in an almost stock BRZ about a year ago, and that was almost on edge all corners.

That time was over the top (T5 Cyclone) on stock Primacy's with only brake pads and alignment. I think a 2:14.xx could be possible with the right conditions in that same configuration.

[MyRx]

Originally Posted by AyJay

Interesting ideas. Chrono format was the 1st session was your warm up, the 2nd was qualifying in order to determine the grid order, and the last 3 were the sessions that counted. I've observed that many people would set their best lap in qualifying (especially true in summer) when the track surface was still somewhat cool. Your next best chance was the end of the day session when the ambient temp would start to come down from the peak of the day. In the proposed format you lose the chance at the end of the day so you better make it count in your 1st scored session.

Yes, a change of format in hopes to have higher participation based on relaxed, less "racing" environment. As stated, most 86 owner are just getting into tracking so the format proposed to NCRC is that the 1st and last session (be it 4, 5, or 6 sessions for the day) are not included. The 1st session is warm-up, be it you are an advanced or a begining driver. The last session...in short, SoCal didn't count this and NCRC sounded happily inviting when I mentioned it. Things could change.

I understand the advantages of running until the last session. And if the participants are wanting and willing to do so, then I think that would be fine. Personally, I'd like to get my best in the middle sessions just because less sessions could equate more tires, brakes, and other consumables.

In the meantime, YES, the idea is to get your best lap in the sessions recorded.

Originally Posted by AyJay

Still debating whether or not I will throw my hat in as anything more than a part time particpant. I bought my FR-S as a fun, cush DD so I can go more track oriented with my other car.

I'm going to assume the NorCal 86 Chrono will use the same ruleset as the SoCal series. http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=52982

I'm may be hesitant mod my FR-S up to the level of the "Street Modified" class and it appears the lowering springs I will install after 2/7 (T'hill day) coupled with my 225 tires already disqualifies me from stock.

Yes, same rules apply regarding points and categories. But if you find NorCal can have more or less advantage by doing something different, let me know. I'm sure the drafters' of the rules are a quick PM away

Disqualification from one category to another just means you have that much more you can do. This isn't a challenge of deep pockets, but more about skill.

[CSG Mike]

Here are my thoughts.

1. The success of this series lies in the hands of you guys. If you guys consistently show up, the series will gain momentum, and be successful. On the other hand, if you just post on the forum a lot, but rarely ever actually show up, then... well the series will flop like the other chrono series.

2. NCRC is overly strict with offs. They want you to compete in a series that culminates with going fast, but penalize you if you make a mistake trying to go fast.

3. CSG will definitely sponsor the series if there's a viable audience. Remember, sponsorship is all about ROI. The more dollars that are flowing our way from NorCal, the more willing the boss will be when I go to him with a proposal to sponsor a NorCal 86 CUP.

4. Citytech may be a better partner. Contact Patrick Chio and let him know you know Mike with the white CR that drives the CSG brz.

[MyRx]

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