Brake pad recommendation

[jflogerzi]

Originally Posted by evanescent03

i used powerstop track day on my Camaro SS1LEs... didn't have brake fade at all using the stock SC3 tires. i drove them everywhere from Thunderhill to COTA to Watkins glen and they held up great but only for about 4 days in the front, maybe 5-6 in the rear.



i looked for track day pads and couldn't find them, what model numbers are you using? thanks!





back on topic:

I talked to mike at counterspace garage and i'm going to try some GLOC R12s front & rear for my maiden track adventures. gotta pick some tires now, debating pilot sport cup2, NT01, proxes R888R, azenis RT600?

Go with 660s

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[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by evanescent03

i used powerstop track day on my Camaro SS1LEs... didn't have brake fade at all using the stock SC3 tires. i drove them everywhere from Thunderhill to COTA to Watkins glen and they held up great but only for about 4 days in the front, maybe 5-6 in the rear.

i looked for track day pads and couldn't find them, what model numbers are you using? thanks!


back on topic:
I talked to mike at counterspace garage and i'm going to try some GLOC R12s front & rear for my maiden track adventures. gotta pick some tires now, debating pilot sport cup2, NT01, proxes R888R, azenis RT600?

NT01 or RT660.

The grip will blow your mind compared to your SS1LE.

[villainous_frx]

Originally Posted by evanescent03

back on topic:
I talked to mike at counterspace garage and i'm going to try some GLOC R12s front & rear for my maiden track adventures. gotta pick some tires now, debating pilot sport cup2, NT01, proxes R888R, azenis RT600?

I have Gloc R12 in my fronts and I must say, the pad cut on them is pretty trash. All 4 are a different shape compared to the OEM and Endless pads I have. Also, they drag on the rotors at low speeds resulting in squeaking while driving around... this was solved by sanding them all level on confirmed smooth table (granite). [Before someone comments, my calipers are not the issue as I have no pad dragging issues on any other brake pad and the fronts are freshly rebuilt].

[SCFD]

When I used to compete in a FWD platform, I ran XP10/XP8 so it was easier to trail brake into corners and the car also didn't have fancy TCS/VSC/EBD for me to worry about. Do people usually run square or staggered pad setup? I don't know if staggered compounds will mess with this car's brake balance or risk triggering "ice mode".

Trying to go for mixed track/street setup so I'm thinking of using R8/R6 or R10/R8.

[strat61caster]

This chassis is designed around square pads, staggered will cause the ebd to work overtime. Xp10s are my first track pad, I wouldn’t bother with r8 unless you know you’re light on brakes.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

This chassis is designed around square pads, staggered will cause the ebd to work overtime. Xp10s are my first track pad, I wouldn’t bother with r8 unless you know you’re light on brakes.

When you get into some of the more high friction pads a slight stagger is needed. rice_classic runs St47/43 in a stagger because he was getting rear lockup. Because of my wing I bought 47's F&R and it was too much. Just some brief street testing I get rear ABS to trigger quite a bit.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

When you get into some of the more high friction pads a slight stagger is needed. rice_classic runs St47/43 in a stagger because he was getting rear lockup. Because of my wing I bought 47's F&R and it was too much. Just some brief street testing I get rear ABS to trigger quite a bit.

#hoosierproblems

[deca]

Originally Posted by villainous_frx

I have Gloc R12 in my fronts and I must say, the pad cut on them is pretty trash. All 4 are a different shape compared to the OEM and Endless pads I have. Also, they drag on the rotors at low speeds resulting in squeaking while driving around... this was solved by sanding them all level on confirmed smooth table (granite). [Before someone comments, my calipers are not the issue as I have no pad dragging issues on any other brake pad and the fronts are freshly rebuilt].

Yeah mine were noisy as hell and super dusty as well. I mean they're known for being very affordable in their performance range, I can't imagine stressing over this sort of thing on a track pad.

Originally Posted by strat61caster

This chassis is designed around square pads, staggered will cause the ebd to work overtime. Xp10s are my first track pad, I wouldn’t bother with r8 unless you know you’re light on brakes.

I would never even consider R8s, I ran R10s and they were nowhere near enough pad for me even on RS4s. They worked great and modulated super easily but they just evaporated. My last event on them the fronts started at "reasonable for one event" and ended on the backing plates. R12s might be ok but I'd probably go even higher if I tried G-Loc/Carbotech again.

I've been extremely happy with my CSG C2s and probably won't bother with anything else moving forward, but I understand if people aren't ready to take the plunge on them.

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

When you get into some of the more high friction pads a slight stagger is needed. rice_classic runs St47/43 in a stagger because he was getting rear lockup. Because of my wing I bought 47's F&R and it was too much. Just some brief street testing I get rear ABS to trigger quite a bit.

I run CSG C2 front/rear, without ABS... No probs, consistent strong braking, fronts lock first. No aero, on A052s. On A7s with C2 fronts and Winmax W5 rears, I had WAY too much front bias, flatspotted the bejeezus out of one of my precious Hoosiers :'(

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by ZDan

I run CSG C2 front/rear, without ABS... No probs, consistent strong braking, fronts lock first. No aero, on A052s. On A7s with C2 fronts and Winmax W5 rears, I had WAY too much front bias, flatspotted the bejeezus out of one of my precious Hoosiers :'(

I ran square up until these pads.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

When you get into some of the more high friction pads a slight stagger is needed. rice_classic runs St47/43 in a stagger because he was getting rear lockup. Because of my wing I bought 47's F&R and it was too much. Just some brief street testing I get rear ABS to trigger quite a bit.

That's funny. I ran a reverse stagger

Albeit, Brembo front stock rear. I wanted more rear response.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

That's funny. I ran a reverse stagger

Albeit, Brembo front stock rear. I wanted more rear response.

I’m thinking of trying a different compound on each corner

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

I’m thinking of trying a different compound on each corner

Maybe try 2nd brake pedal a la McLaren MP4/12

[rice_classic]

Find the pad that maximizes the front tire deceleration then use a rear pad that compliments that; in my case a rear pad that induces “just enough” rear abs as the very limit or under late stage trail braking is ideal.

Think about heat. Stock brakes with no cooling and r-comps = lots of heat. BBK with brake ducks and 200tw tires = very little heat. Run the corresponding pad.

Tracks with unique conditions can induce strange realities too. Example, on the racecar the ST43 rear pads will last a full race season+ on PacNw tracks (and california) but in (1) 40 minute race at Road America they got destroyed. RA has 3 hard decel zones from 120+mph which is unique vs most other tracks. If I raced at RA often I would either run a “hotter” pad in the rear or add rear brake cooling.