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Old 07-02-2015, 07:59 PM   #43
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I can never understand this statement.
How is an engine "boring"? A boring car I get but just the engine? If they put a different 200hp engine in there would it be exciting?

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I was just answering @Tcoat question about there being a more exciting 200hp engine, which I believe there are.
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I'm not real fond of boxer motors from past experience... when it was announced that the 86 would be using a Subaru boxer motor my first reaction was: "Why?" I understand the technical reasons for going with a Boxer motor... but even so, give me an I4 every time over a flat 4. It's not like Toyota doesn't know how to make nice I4 motors perfect for sportscar use.... Was really hoping for a motor somewhat following 4AGE lineage, a nice rev happy one in the 2L range.

That said, I bought the car in spite of the motor that was put in it because even with that Subaru motor in it, I still wanted it - the only car in two decades that I have wanted enough to buy new. The FR-S has been the best Subaru I've ever owned along with being the worst Toyota I've ever owned at the same time... The FA20 is 'okay' as a motor mechanically other than the low oil pressure with high engine bay temperatures (I've noticed little issues start appearing once the oil temp gets over a constant 220F - really want to get an oil pressure gauge for this car.) It has a nice, smooth power delivery characteristic that I do like with a broad torque range that works well for daily driving. From 5K through redline the motor is really at home, just not as rev happy a motor as a Honda.

The little quirks bug me though; the check engine light coming for ignition coil issue (stock motor no tunes or tinkering with it) and little hiccups it has not wanting to start sometimes - it's definitely not a Toyota or Honda level drivetrain in actual execution. I would definitely feel more at ease with an actual Toyota motor in it... My 2RZ powered Tacoma was bulletproof and I beat on it and redlined it daily for 170k miles...autocrossed it, tracked it, offroaded it, and cruised cross-country with it.

And then there was the B18A in my '90 Integra RS....sweetest non-vtec I4 Honda motor that can take abuse and has a very nice rev-happy characteristic about it. With 8lb racing flywheel that motor LOOOVED to rev and increased/decreased RPMs extremely quick. It was a solid motor that you could use the full RPM range all day long, for 200k miles...and sounded very good as well.

The FA20 just can't take the same abuse...it throws a fit and starts balking, you have to baby it to keep it happy. Babying a motor to keep it from throwing fits doesn't sit well with me...I don't care about power levels as much as a robust motor you can beat on daily and gives zero complaints back - the FA20 is not such a motor from my experience. Or maybe it's just the early one's issue?

Not sure what I want to do in the future, but I absolutely know I want to keep the car. Just unsure of what to swap out the motor for when the FA20 finally lets go from not being up to the task...
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Years ago when I heard Toyota was working on the small sports car (FRS) my fear was the they would use the 2AZ-FE (I4 from Camry/RAV4) engine, 6500 rpm red line, 177 hp in RAV4 trim. IMO Toyota made a good decision going to Subaru for a engine. If you've every wound the RAV4s AZ engine to redline you'll agree. The Toyota AZ is tough as nails, but sounds like bees in a box to me.
The Subaru engine feels like it loves spinning all the way to redline all the time. Bottom line, I like the Subaru boxer, "REAL" or not.



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I was just answering @Tcoat question about there being a more exciting 200hp engine, which I believe there are.
I would of said 3S SR or F20

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The little quirks bug me though; the check engine light coming for ignition coil issue (stock motor no tunes or tinkering with it)
coil #1 or #3?
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I would of said 3S SR or F20
I would have said an f20 as well, but I was being fair with the "200hp" comparison.
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I was just answering @Tcoat question about there being a more exciting 200hp engine, which I believe there are.
That is a sample maybe but still does not reduce my confusion over how just and engine is more exciting. An engine is just part of a whole package not the be all and end all of a car.
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I would of said 3S SR or F20



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P0351 code... so coil #1. Going to get newest revision coil pack and do whatever I can to get heat out of the engine bay along with protecting all the coils thermally. Gold foil tape, heat shielding, ducting with active airflow, and making the TRD fender vents actual functional vents in addition to their primary aerodynamic deflector role is where I'm heading...
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P0351 code... so coil #1. Going to get newest revision coil pack and do whatever I can to get heat out of the engine bay along with protecting all the coils thermally. Gold foil tape, heat shielding, ducting with active airflow, and making the TRD fender vents actual functional vents in addition to their primary aerodynamic deflector role is where I'm going...
I've heard that issue with aftermarket header &/or FI, but never heard that issue w OEM.
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I've heard that issue with aftermarket header &/or FI, but never heard that issue w OEM.
Plenty of stock cars with this issue reading the massive P0351 issue thread....it will happen to all 86's given enough heat in the system. I live in a really hot & humid climate, so I imagine that accelerates things too along with oil temps reaching 220+ range daily...
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Years ago when I heard Toyota was working on the small sports car (FRS) my fear was the they would use the 2AZ-FE (I4 from Camry/RAV4) engine, 6500 rpm red line, 177 hp in RAV4 trim. IMO Toyota made a good decision going to Subaru for a engine. If you've every wound the RAV4s AZ engine to redline you'll agree. The Toyota AZ is tough as nails, but sounds like bees in a box to me.
The Subaru engine feels like it loves spinning all the way to redline all the time. Bottom line, I like the Subaru boxer, "REAL" or not.



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