Any Issues with Royal Purple?

[bluesubie]

Originally Posted by endless_pain

All information is out there in Al Gores internet.

Yeah, that's what I thought.

[endless_pain]

Originally Posted by bluesubie

Yeah, that's what I thought.

That's what you thought, are you trying to sound tough in a public forum?


Do you want to have an honest conversation for the benefit of the forum or just be right?

[Foobar]

No issues with Royal Purple synthetic. Been using it since I hit 1000 miles in 2012 and the car has been supercharged since then.

Bought a case on sale at Amazon for cheaper than what it cost for any other synthetic of similar weight, so it was a no brainier.

I used Motul everywhere else.

[bluesubie]

Originally Posted by endless_pain

That's what you thought, are you trying to sound tough in a public forum?


Do you want to have an honest conversation for the benefit of the forum or just be right?

No, I'm not trying to be tough. I'm just trying to stop some of the misinformation around here. You are mentioning percentages so I would like for you to provide some evidence to that effect.

The term synthetic is only a marketing term and "100% synthetic" and "Full Synthetic" are marketing terms.

Hey, look what I found on Al Gore's internet. This guy retired from a company that produces ester base stocks, so he might know a thing or two:

Originally Posted by Tom NJ from BITOG

Base oil quality is no longer defined by just three simple categories consisting of conventional, semi-synthetic, and synthetic. With the introduction of new processes and feed stocks over the past dozen years, we now have numerous base oils grades and blends thereof, resulting in a continuum of base oil quality, such as:

Grp I
Grp I & II blend
Grp I & III blend
Grp II
Grp II & III blend
Grp II+
Grp III
Grp III & IV blend
Grp III+
Grp III & IV & V blend
Grp III+ & IV & V blend
Grp IV & V blend

While the exact quality order of such base oil selections is debatable and dependent on component grade and ratios, the point is that the quality steps are now so small as to make labels such as semi-synthetic and synthetic difficult if not impossible to place. The industry chose to draw a line between Grp II and Grp III in defining “synthetic”, but the difference is merely a single VI point, and therefore meaningless from a performance standpoint.

Certainly there is a meaningful difference between the low end and high end of the spectrum, such as Grp I vs a Grp IV/V blend, but the difference between adjacent levels, and really even levels that are three, four, or five apart, is easily blurred by the additive system.

Hence, the great debate over “synthetic” versus “true synthetic” is dead. The use of the word synthetic today only signifies that the base oil blend leans toward the higher end of quality continuum, and translating that further into finished oil performance becomes a stretch.

Unless you have a special engine or driving conditions, you are better served concentrating on specifications and approvals rather than base oils for estimating oil performance.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...Number=2248265

[go_a_way1]

Originally Posted by Foobar

No issues with Royal Purple synthetic. Been using it since I hit 1000 miles in 2012 and the car has been supercharged since then.

Bought a case on sale at Amazon for cheaper than what it cost for any other synthetic of similar weight, so it was a no brainier.

I used Motul everywhere else.

I would call it viscosity, not weight. A common misconception is the "W" in 0W-20 stands for weight, that is incorrect it stands for winter. Not trying to troll or be a d*ck, just sharing some info.

[Foobar]

Originally Posted by go_a_way1

I would call it viscosity, not weight. A common misconception is the "W" in 0W-20 stands for weight, that is incorrect it stands for winter. Not trying to troll or be a d*ck, just sharing some info.

I knew W didn't stand for weight, but I've seen weight and viscosity used interchangeably when it comes to oil.

If oil weight is wrong, then I offer my apologies for persisting the misconception.

[bluesubie]

Originally Posted by Foobar

I knew W didn't stand for weight, but I've seen weight and viscosity used interchangeably when it comes to oil.

If oil weight is wrong, then I offer my apologies for persisting the misconception.

Even oil companies do it sometimes in their marketing, so no biggie. I've given up on trying to tell people it's not "weight".

Actually, it's a "viscosity grade". The grade refers to a viscosity range and not just one single number (e.g. a 20 grade has a viscosity range of 6.9 - 9.29 centistokes at 100C)

[endless_pain]

Originally Posted by bluesubie

No, I'm not trying to be tough. I'm just trying to stop some of the misinformation around here. You are mentioning percentages so I would like for you to provide some evidence to that effect.

The term synthetic is only a marketing term and "100% synthetic" and "Full Synthetic" are marketing terms.

Hey, look what I found on Al Gore's internet. This guy retired from a company that produces ester base stocks, so he might know a thing or two:



http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums...Number=2248265

Let's do this, why don't you just tell me what part of what I posted is misinformation according to you and why is the information wrong.

[bluesubie]

Originally Posted by endless_pain

100 percent synthetic only uses base IV and V synthetic base oils while "Full Synthetic" can use as little or less of 10 percent of a IV base mixed with mineral based oils (I, II and III) and still be called "synthetic" thanks to Castrol back in 1999.

According to this if you have an oil that uses primarily group IV and V base stocks, with a small amount of Group III base stocks, then it is not "Full Synthetic".

The only thing that I asked you to do is show me where you found these guidelines and your reply was that it's all over the internet. Sort of senseless to debate this though as someone above that used to work in the industry stated the great debate over "synthetic" vs "full synthetic" is dead anyway.

This same sentiment can be seen in posts from other oil blenders at bitog as well as an oil blender that used to post in this forum. And unless you are an oil blender for a company, you really don't know what the entire make-up of any oil is.

I'm aware that Exxon Mobil uses Group III base stocks (their proprietary base stock called Visom), and that Mobil1 0W40 used to be primarly Visom, but nobody on here knows much about the specifics of any of their base stock blends.

And every Mobil1 oil isn't blended the same way either. They use a mix of various base oils and one "synthetic" oil may be predominately Group IV/V and another may be a mix of Group III+ and IV, or whatever.

[Packofcrows]

Originally Posted by YSG

My BRZ has 12K miles on it. Been running Subarus synthetic. Just did an oil change with Royal Purple synthetic and a high flow performance filter.
I am amazed at the immediate noticeable difference in my car.
It is way smoother, revs much faster, and must have an additional 10-15Hp and torque.
How is this even possible with just an oil change? Is Subaru using sh** for oil??
All I can say is do it now. I used the recommended weight as per the owners manual and approx 5.7 quarts.
For $80 this has got to be the cheapest and best performance mod going.
My BRZ feels like a different car. Unreal.

Idk about hp and all that but yes! Royal purp makes engine feel lighter. Ever seen a engine thats blown but only ran on RP? Seems like a new engine!

[texasbound972]

I see nobody has asked the question if RP is "compatible" with E85. From what a Motul salesman has told me, all of their oil is okay to use on E85. You just can't run their 300V series with it. You can but you'd be needing to change your oil at 1k miles. So I'm not 100% sure if I want to use RP or Mobil 1. I need oil and motul isn't available where I'm at right now in El Centro. I'll be using the recommended 0w40 weight like Quirt Crawford told me to. I'm boosted with Crawford's built block and it's 10.5:1. Any input would be greatly appreciated.

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[Poodles]

I've blown a motor running RP if that counts


Keep in mind it burned the oil at a crazy rate (vs the other oils I've used) and that's why the engine blew...


It's a "boutique" oil.

[texasbound972]

Originally Posted by Poodles

I've blown a motor running RP if that counts


Keep in mind it burned the oil at a crazy rate (vs the other oils I've used) and that's why the engine blew...


It's a "boutique" oil.

Shit that sucks. I just put Castrol 0w40 in today. Hopefully it lasts for a 1000 miles at least.

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[Poodles]

Originally Posted by texasbound972

Shit that sucks. I just put Castrol 0w40 in today. Hopefully it lasts for a 1000 miles at least.

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Probably fine on a new car and they've since gotten API certification so...