Engine swapping my first car.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

Is swap would be the best swap in your situation. Makes reliable power, is cost effective and the path has been paved.

Is swap...? Did you mean to say LS and got autocorrected? If so, I would agree that it is the best V8 motor to use. It has a ton of aftermarket support, it is Pure Automotive supported in their swap kit (as an option), and it is compact, so it fits while being still serviceable. The problem is that he wants to keep the engine in the family of Subaru or Toyota. Basically the ones to choose would be the 1JZ/2JZ, the 8AR-FTS 2.0T straight 4, the 2GR-FSE 3.5NA V6, the 1UZ-FE 4.0NA V8 and if he could swing it the 2UR-GSE 5.0LNA V8. If he went with Subaru then he should just build and turbo the FA20 over a swap. I feel like a supercharged 2GR would be cool except the Lotus guys would say you were biting their style.

[MK42Dragon]

Originally Posted by wooly35

Ha ha, well then, your title is quite deceiving. lol Id say you know exactly what you are getting into then. I think you will love this car even more with the added power once its all finished. These cars are so much fun with 400/500 hp.

Lol, maybe I should have clarified. This isn't my first engine swap, just the engine swap for my first car. I'm mainly doing research into what my possibilities are before planning everything out.

[MK42Dragon]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Is swap...? Did you mean to say LS and got autocorrected? If so, I would agree that it is the best V8 motor to use. It has a ton of aftermarket support, it is Pure Automotive supported in their swap kit (as an option), and it is compact, so it fits while being still serviceable. The problem is that he wants to keep the engine in the family of Subaru or Toyota. Basically the ones to choose would be the 1JZ/2JZ, the 8AR-FTS 2.0T straight 4, the 2GR-FSE 3.5NA V6, the 1UZ-FE 4.0NA V8 and if he could swing it the 2UR-GSE 5.0LNA V8. If he went with Subaru then he should just build and turbo the FA20 over a swap. I feel like a supercharged 2GR would be cool except the Lotus guys would say you were biting their style.

So I came to the same conclusion, all except for the lotus part.
Right now my favorites are the 2JZ, 2GR and 2UR
I can probably get a 2GR-FSE for the least amount of money out of them all with decently low milage, though the 2GR would require some sort of forced induction. The 2JZ would also cost less than the 2UR.
The lightest of the options would be the 2GR sitting pretty at about 360lb. The 2UR, though the biggest, sits at only about 400lb. Then the 2JZ really takes the cake at about 590lb. Granted the 2JZ was probably weighed with the 2 turbos.

In the end I would probably go for the 2JZ if I want to go the "easy" route or I would go for the 2UR if I wanted something a bit more unique, though with how long these cars have been out, I wouldn't doubt it that someone somewhere has already done it before me. I would probably make my final decision based on whether or not I can get a friend of mine to help me out, though I'm assuming I will do this alone for now.

Thanks

[Summerwolf]

Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0

Is swap...? Did you mean to say LS and got autocorrected? If so, I would agree that it is the best V8 motor to use. It has a ton of aftermarket support, it is Pure Automotive supported in their swap kit (as an option), and it is compact, so it fits while being still serviceable. The problem is that he wants to keep the engine in the family of Subaru or Toyota. Basically the ones to choose would be the 1JZ/2JZ, the 8AR-FTS 2.0T straight 4, the 2GR-FSE 3.5NA V6, the 1UZ-FE 4.0NA V8 and if he could swing it the 2UR-GSE 5.0LNA V8. If he went with Subaru then he should just build and turbo the FA20 over a swap. I feel like a supercharged 2GR would be cool except the Lotus guys would say you were biting their style.

LS and ls is the same. One is just not capitalized. I understand the "problem" but it isn't a problem when you start to look at the facts of parts, reliability and people who have already paved the way. Unless someone simply wants to be different.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by Summerwolf

LS and ls is the same. One is just not capitalized. I understand the "problem" but it isn't a problem when you start to look at the facts of parts, reliability and people who have already paved the way. Unless someone simply wants to be different.

You had typed Is not ls. Look again.

[Irace86.2.0]

Originally Posted by MK42Dragon

So I came to the same conclusion, all except for the lotus part.

The lightest of the options would be the 2GR sitting pretty at about 360lb. The 2UR, though the biggest, sits at only about 400lb. Then the 2JZ really takes the cake at about 590lb. Granted the 2JZ was probably weighed with the 2 turbos.

Thanks

Because you missed the joke? If so, the Camry’s V6 is what the Lotus uses in the Evora and Exige, supercharged, so if you do that then you might get Lotus guys saying you are copying their platform and a fool for spending so much on a swap when you could have just bought a Lotus, and they would have a good point.

Remember the 2jz has an iron block with virtually a closed deck, so that is a lot of the weight, and the turbo assembly, as you said, is heavy. An aftermarket single could be lighter.

[EAGLE5]

I'd swap to a flat-4 2.0 with Al block and heads and a high redline.

[Jaden]

Originally Posted by MK42Dragon

I really appreciate the advice, I have done quite a few engine swaps in the past but never on a platform this new, which is really where my main worries are. If once I've decided I find that even $20k is pushing it, I would probably wait a bit longer to save up until I can raise my budget a bit more.

At the end of the day, I'm just looking for a good way to turn my car into something I can enjoy a bit more. tbh I enjoy working on cars. I have an M3 that I worked on as a project car for a while and never really felt too annoyed by it. On the flip side, I was just fixing a few things on an old Z and wanted to claw my eyes out.

15-18 is not pushing it with the ability to sell your engine and trans. Especially if you're doing all the work yourself.

Jaden

[Clash0901]

Originally Posted by MK42Dragon

I was strongly considering this option, I saw that they keep all the OEM amenities and I am attempting to do this mostly alone so a plug and play option is appealing to me.

In terms of budget, I have $8k currently saved up but I would say my budget would be around $15k with a max of $20k.

You cannot properly 2jz swap an 86 with 15-20k. I tried and I failed miserably.

If you do decide to go with a 2jz, PM me. I have a spreadsheet of prices I paid for everything and where I bought it all.

[mrg666]

If you are looking for a project to have fun, that is fine. If you are looking for a car more fun to drive, I would just find a Cayman or Exige.