SHARPER AND MORE FOCUSED SUBARU BRZ DROPS JULY 23RD AT SUBIEFEST CALIFORNIA

[ruturaj001]

Originally Posted by LRNAD90

Well there are rumors swirling in Japanese car magazines that Toyota is already working on the third gen GR86 (supposedly due out in 2028) and that Subaru is NOT involved, and that it will have the three cylinder turbo from the GR Yaris..

Who knows how much truth there is to it..

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=gr86+news

Toyota is not going to build anything on Subaru platform, neither is Toyota going to develop a new car that would sell 10k units a year. Toyota sells 4x camrys in a year than total 86 sales till date, so it's not a priority for them. Plus Toyota is working on expensive car for GT300 race. We might get RCF replacement that's lighter, manual and expensive but not complete Toyota 86.

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by LRNAD90

Well there are rumors swirling in Japanese car magazines that Toyota is already working on the third gen GR86 (supposedly due out in 2028) and that Subaru is NOT involved, and that it will have the three cylinder turbo from the GR Yaris..

Who knows how much truth there is to it..

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=gr86+news

variations of that 'rumor' have been circling since 2012. bestcarweb started the rumor, this time as they do most times anymore. they just throw everything at the wall, then delete whatever doesn't happen later. the problem lies in every single media outlet being so hungry for information and the 'next catch' that it's worse than stock market high frequency trading.

bestcarweb will post some crazy outlandish crap, it runs around all news circles as 'fact' for a few weeks, then gets lost in the noise.

tldr: if anyone ever cites "bestcarweb" as a source, just laugh. they couldn't even tell you how many fingers are on your hand.

[mycrors7]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Meh, every car company have some vehicles in their lineup that compete with others in their lineups. There is always overlap in pricing.

such as?!? i cant think of any successful car that is made by a company who makes another car that is very similar and also successful

Originally Posted by Desertnate

I could see Toyota going on their own with the next generation, but not because they want to throw a turbo in it or other similar reasons.

Toyota may be forced to go solo on the next gen simply because Subaru won't be a partner in the project any more. Right now, the BRZ is the black sheep of the family. It doesn't match the overall corporate direction of Subaru at all. The BRZ isn't AWD, it isn't lifted, it won't go off road, you can't really boast about the safety structure of the vehicle like the Forrester or Outback, and worst of all: you can't haul cute puppies in it. Subaru's given up on their "halo" WRX by phoning in the recent generation and killing the STI. It's not hard to imagine the BRZ they've never really loved in the first place being dropped completely. Toyota, on the other hand, seems to be making an effort to offer at least a couple fun, on-road, performance cars. The GR86 fits well in their corporate strategy.

I hate to go off topic and i hate to say it, but toyota hasnt really been able to put out anything fun and good by themselves.

GRC is all hype cause its finally a new awd platform that people can turn to cause the only one left was the WRX. After driving a GRC, it's really not that fun to drive day to day and it doesn't handle all that well all things considered. might be different on dirt, but 99% of owners wont let their cars see a spec of dirt.

supra was HEAVILY reliant on bmw.
frs/86 is literally an entirely subaru vehicle at this point. it always has been minus a few minor things, but as a whole, it follows the subaru infrastructure of suspension and design and puts it into a 2wd sports car. you can hand the keys of a gr86 to any subaru tech, and they will find it VERY familiar.

Toyota going solo with the 86 platform doesnt make sense for them. billions in R&D would be required to put out a product that can outperform this current generation and keep the true nature of what the car is... a nimble NA 2dr sporty coupe that is a riot on track and is humble on the streets.

[ruturaj001]

Originally Posted by mycrors7

such as?!? i cant think of any successful car that is made by a company who makes another car that is very similar and also successful



I hate to go off topic and i hate to say it, but toyota hasnt really been able to put out anything fun and good by themselves.

GRC is all hype cause its finally a new awd platform that people can turn to cause the only one left was the WRX. After driving a GRC, it's really not that fun to drive day to day and it doesn't handle all that well all things considered. might be different on dirt, but 99% of owners wont let their cars see a spec of dirt.

supra was HEAVILY reliant on bmw.
frs/86 is literally an entirely subaru vehicle at this point. it always has been minus a few minor things, but as a whole, it follows the subaru infrastructure of suspension and design and puts it into a 2wd sports car. you can hand the keys of a gr86 to any subaru tech, and they will find it VERY familiar.

Toyota going solo with the 86 platform doesnt make sense for them. billions in R&D would be required to put out a product that can outperform this current generation and keep the true nature of what the car is... a nimble NA 2dr sporty coupe that is a riot on track and is humble on the streets.

Toyota is probably working on next Lexus RC though. It would have to loose significant weight and still won't be close to twins. Won't be completely new, won't be cheap or best at anything except may be reliability.

[LRNAD90]

I hear the Celica is coming back too. That seems like it would be in the same space as the GR86. Surprised Toyota thinks there is enough sales volume in this segment to split them up among them..

[Desertnate]

Originally Posted by LRNAD90

I hear the Celica is coming back too. That seems like it would be in the same space as the GR86. Surprised Toyota thinks there is enough sales volume in this segment to split them up among them..

Based on the very reasonable logic others have brought up, a Celica revival may be Toyota's way of walking away from the GR86 partnership and building something in-house or partnered with someone else.

Moving to a Celica with the GR Carolla's turbo'd engine on another platform would be a "clean sheet". It would give them a small, affordable-ish sports car made from the Toyota parts bin, but wouldn't carry the baggage of the BRZ/86's history. If Toyota even cares...

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by mycrors7

such as?!? i cant think of any successful car that is made by a company who makes another car that is very similar and also successful

GM is the king of this, or at least used to be. (Camaro/Firebird comes to mind but there were many others).

Most people, excluding enthusiasts, cross-shop what's on the lot. Notice I mentioned price more than anything else. Every manufacturer have cars that overlap in price, and therefore compete in that price range.

Sometimes it's the high end of one line, and the low end of the other that overlap or are close in price.

Ultimately, car companies, like any other company, will build what will make them money. They don't care if one item sells more than another, or if they compete, as long as the revenue is there.

[mycrors7]

Originally Posted by LRNAD90

I hear the Celica is coming back too. That seems like it would be in the same space as the GR86. Surprised Toyota thinks there is enough sales volume in this segment to split them up among them..

celica is part of the supra family. all they really have to do is slap a celica badge on the 4cyl supra, and it will be historically correct if they want to bring their flagship model back.

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

GM is the king of this, or at least used to be. (Camaro/Firebird comes to mind but there were many others).

Most people, excluding enthusiasts, cross-shop what's on the lot. Notice I mentioned price more than anything else. Every manufacturer have cars that overlap in price, and therefore compete in that price range.

Sometimes it's the high end of one line, and the low end of the other that overlap or are close in price.

Ultimately, car companies, like any other company, will build what will make them money. They don't car if one item sells more than another, or if they compete, as long as the revenue is there.

GM has been going downhill. camaro's last year is 2024. vette is midship and finally different, but at the same time going midship killed the vette for a lot of people(despite it being actually really good!)

toyota's focus is economy models cause thats what their image is. its the prius, mirai, and hybrid rav4 and hybrid highlander.

you can walk in and purchase most gasoline only powdered toyotas off a lot..

hyrbid waitlists are longer than gr corolla and gr86 waitlists.

if they go solo, doing a celica makes the most sense. remarket the deadbeat 2.0 supra as the celica it should have been. bring back the dragon and the flagship.

[dhutty]

Anyone have insight or guesses of when the press will get their mitts on one of these TS's to play with?

[nextcar]

Originally Posted by dhutty

Anyone have insight or guesses of when the press will get their mitts on one of these TS's to play with?

Since this promo video was posted two weeks ago, I think we will start seeing more press soon. Hopefully with real commentary in the future...

[Sport-Tech]

For Speed, driving this thing must feel like driving a 70s Ford Pinto would for most of us lol.


That said, I still can't wait for reviews. Subaru NEEDS to do a press track day for this baby. And I hope that at least one of the reviewers has the brains and the balls to ask Subaru why they only put the fancy dual-action dampers on the front end - was it just cost-cutting, or did they find in their testing that putting them on the back made no significant difference to the ride or handling?

[Sport-Tech]

tS price is out today - $2650 USD over the Limited MT.