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View Poll Results: Is the chattering engine sound normal when accelerating in 2nd gear at 1500-2000rpm?
Yes, the sound is normal. (please explain what the sound is) 17 41.46%
No, you should slip the clutch a bit 11 26.83%
None of the above. (tell me what is right below ) 13 31.71%
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Old 06-12-2015, 06:34 AM   #57
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No, Trom. It's impossible to shift into first gear above 4-ish MPH without double-clutching into it. But you wouldn't know that because you have the auto.
I will have to verify but I strongly believe I down shift to 1st at much more than 4mph and I have never double clutched my car once. Not saying you shouldn't or anything I simply have never found the need too.
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Slight hijack, does the gearbox chatter noise drive anyone else completely nuts? It sounds like marbles in a blender My MR2 would only chatter in 5th if I accidentally shifted up at too low of a speed, but this car chatters in all the gears, especially the low gears where you actually spend time at low rpm, and all the way up to 2000rpm :/

lol, I didn't realize anyone thought slipping the clutch when the engine is bogging was a good solution, that only buys you a little extra torque, shifting down a gear is the way to go. @Tcoat how do you skip gears when downshifting without double clutching, or do you just go one by one? My gearbox makes a "crunch" sound if I am asking the synchros to match more than 500rpm...(which happens by mistake sometimes)
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Slight hijack, does the gearbox chatter noise drive anyone else completely nuts? It sounds like marbles in a blender My MR2 would only chatter in 5th if I accidentally shifted up at too low of a speed, but this car chatters in all the gears, especially the low gears where you actually spend time at low rpm, and all the way up to 2000rpm :/

lol, I didn't realize anyone thought slipping the clutch when the engine is bogging was a good solution, that only buys you a little extra torque, shifting down a gear is the way to go. @Tcoat how do you skip gears when downshifting without double clutching, or do you just go one by one? My gearbox makes a "crunch" sound if I am asking the synchros to match more than 500rpm...(which happens by mistake sometimes)
The gear box chatter doesn't bother me at all. I have had better and much worse over the years. All gear boxes have some but most cars have better sound proofing so you just never hear it. It is just another of the symphony of weird and wonderful noises these cars make in my mind.

Yes, I row up and down through every single gear about 90% of the time. Not because I think it is "better" or "required" so much as it is habit. I drove trucks in the Army when I started driving and many of my cars were 3 or 4 speeds. In both those cases you needed to use every gear and skip shifting in either direction just resulted in a bad time. It only takes me 1/2 a second to shift so why not use all the gears they gave me not just half of them? The only time I will skip is on a down shift and I may go from 4th to 2nd or 3rd to 1st if not coming to a full stop. When I do skip I just leave the clutch in for a second or two and then release it slowly with just a little blip. This allows the synchros time to adjust to the right speed and position.
There really is no right or wrong way (although there are horrible things you can do) to drive MT and even I change my methods up when circumstances demand it.
I actually don't even think about how or when I shift so when people ask questions like this I have to go for a drive and really pay attention to what I am doing to even know how to answer.
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I've feathered the clutch in 1st and 2nd gear while in traffic in every car I've ever driven and have never had issues with the clutch or drivetrain in any of them.
I don't even know how to drive an automatic
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I will have to verify but I strongly believe I down shift to 1st at much more than 4mph and I have never double clutched my car once. Not saying you shouldn't or anything I simply have never found the need too.
I bet there's some manufacturing tolerance involved in the lockout performance. I absolutely cannot directly downshift into first above a walking/jogging speed.
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I've feathered the clutch in 1st and 2nd gear while in traffic in every car I've ever driven and have never had issues with the clutch or drivetrain in any of them.
I don't even know how to drive an automatic
It's pretty complicated. All those paddles and different modes. Too much for me.
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I bet there's some manufacturing tolerance involved in the lockout performance. I absolutely cannot directly downshift into first above a walking/jogging speed.
Tried it this morning and easy as can be at 10mph and gets progressively harder (until impossible) up to 20. Anybody listening on the streets around my house probably though I was insane or had serious engine problems. That TRD exhaust gets loud when you do that shit.
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I don't even know how to drive an automatic
Ya, that is where things start to fall apart when talking about driving a MT. There is good feathering and bad feathering and to try to describe each in print is damn near impossible. There is also the whole subjective definition of exactly what "feathering" is to deal with.
Teaching how to drive MT is something that should be restricted to in person because even videos do not provide the information in a clear manner.
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Ya, that is where things start to fall apart when talking about driving a MT. There is good feathering and bad feathering and to try to describe each in print is damn near impossible. There is also the whole subjective definition of exactly what "feathering" is to deal with.
Teaching how to drive MT is something that should be restricted to in person because even videos do not provide the information in a clear manner.
That's actually the first time I've ever used the term "feathering" with regard to the clutch on a car. I learned it as "Clutch control" eons ago when I first learned to drive, and that's what I still commonly call it. But ITT it was referred to as slipping and feathering so I just went with that.

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Tried it this morning and easy as can be at 10mph and gets progressively harder (until impossible) up to 20. Anybody listening on the streets around my house probably though I was insane or had serious engine problems. That TRD exhaust gets loud when you do that shit.
I'll be damned. Well, there you have it. I'd call that a conclusive test.
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I'll be damned. Well, there you have it. I'd call that a conclusive test.
With a sample size of one and no control group at all I would hardly call it conclusive.
On top of that "can be done" and "should be done" are two different scenarios. It would be very easy to over rev if going too fast.
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With a sample size of one and no control group at all I would hardly call it conclusive.
It's good enough for interweb forums, though
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With a sample size of one and no control group at all I would hardly call it conclusive.
On top of that "can be done" and "should be done" are two different scenarios. It would be very easy to over rev if going too fast.
Hence the reason for a lockout. Maybe some of them don't actually work? I didn't even come to understand its existence until a related discussion with @stugray. Then, looking at an IPB, I finally found a reference to the "first shift restrict ball."
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