Before you bought this car, did you hesitate and realize you're buying the new Civic?

[m.box.design]

Aesthetic car modifications is like political preferences. Some people are conservative, some are moderate, and some are just totally out there.

[civdaddy]

Originally Posted by fatoni

how is the kid an idiot for doing exactly what you told him? i think the truth is (like you might be alluding to) that there isnt just a mature/immature divide. its a gradient and thats where a lot of the issue comes from. for example, you come here to a ricer thread with an avatar with smoked tail lights. a lot of people would say thats pretty rice. to each his own.

What I'm gathering from this thread is that "ricers" don't like other "ricers" lol.

[campy]

I challenge someone to show me a car community where there is zero rice, stance, or whatever isn't "cool" anymore.

I think there's some adverse selection going on when you read forums and facebook groups. The types who show off their cars there will usually be the flashier, attention-seeking ones with crazy cosmetic mods. But then again, who wants to look at pictures of peoples' stock-looking FRSs/BRZs?

[hamzam]

Originally Posted by fatoni

how is the kid an idiot for doing exactly what you told him? i think the truth is (like you might be alluding to) that there isnt just a mature/immature divide. its a gradient and thats where a lot of the issue comes from. for example, you come here to a ricer thread with an avatar with smoked tail lights. a lot of people would say thats pretty rice. to each his own.

Agreed. But I was referring to driver habits, not aesthetics.

As for him revving the shit out of my motor, I had revved it lightly to to appease a small group. Upon me stating that I had never heard my car from behind, I guess I let my curiosity get the best of me.

[husker741]

Originally Posted by civdaddy

What I'm gathering from this thread is that "ricers" don't like other "ricers" lol.

Do you even own an 86?

[Dezoris]

I think most of us knew exactly what this car was about and who it was for when we bought it.

Everyday I restrain myself from going into the member journal forum and shi*ting on all the rice builds. Thing is every sporty model manufactured has the "show" crowd. And a huge majority of online speed shops cater to the appearance crowd because its cheaper, higher margain and most of the buyers want uniqueness, to stand out.

When I had my first s2000, all the local guys modified the piss out of their cars most of which could not even drive them to save their lives. But what I learned is even though they pissed away their money many of them did not know any better.

This car reminds me a lot of that scene. When I meet other owners or young guys at events with the car, there is a ton of interest from these guys which I have not seen for a while. The car has attracted a new generation of car enthusiests, but with that of course comes inexperience.

All you can do is try and be an ambassidor for non rice and call people out when you see stupid crap.

[ZionsWrath]

Complains about ricers. Has HIDs on his FRS.

[Superhatch]

I'm not in a large city, so perhaps my view isn't as skewed. Sure, if I look online I could find any car, and any trend within a group of owners and hate on them. When it comes to who I actually see in an 86 on a daily basis it's never any of those people.

I think you need to step back from the internet actually. That's likely what's pissing you off, not so much the 86ers you meet on a daily/weekly/monthly basis.

I've had my car for just over 2 years now and my insurance hasn't gone up at all. I'm pretty sure a 25-30K Japanese, rear wheel drive, sports car is going to fall into a specific category of insurance and the insurance companies have already figured that a bunch of idiots were going to wreck them. I don't think were going to see our insurance rates do anything super crazy, aside from the individuals who do stupid things in our cars.

As far as the civic thing goes. Our sales numbers peaked in 2013. Likely the sales aren't going to hit the same number this year as they did last year. The economy is still on the uptick, so it's not that. It's likely market saturation. The twins sold about 26,800 cars in 2013 (http://www.goodcarbadcar.net/p/sales-stats.html). There were roughly 330,000 civics sold. Say 10% were Si's? (I can't find any data on the Si specifically) Likely next year there will be another 33K Si's sold, but the number of twins is likely going to be lower based on numbers through April. In 2012 the twins number was around 12k (but still 33k Si's likely).

My point is that this car is going to be a limited run. Think of it more as the modern 240 in comparison to who buys it. It's not practical like a Civic, it's not as pedestrian, it makes compromises in ways the Civic doesn't...it's just not the same car for a variety of reasons. Is it the same in the sense that people put fart cans on them? Sure...but now a days that's every car. /shrug.

Ease off the internet for a couple months, enjoy your car for the reasons you enjoy it, stop caring what other people do or think. You'll be better off for it.

[ET86]

God no!

[husker741]

Originally Posted by ZionsWrath

Complains about ricers. Has HIDs on his FRS.

I'm not cool enough to own a BRZ.

[paulca]

Originally Posted by ZionsWrath

Complains about ricers. Has HIDs on his FRS.

They are standard in the UK on the 86.

[acg2010]

Originally Posted by paulca

They are standard in the UK on the 86.

Yea, but your projectors are designed for HIDs. Sticking HID bulbs and ballasts in a projector designed for a halogen bulb is not a good idea. The light dispersion pattern is just not right. If someone is going to do it on a US FRS they need to do a projector retrofit or buy new headlights to do it properly.

[paulca]

Originally Posted by acg2010

Yea, but your projectors are designed for HIDs. Sticking HID bulbs and ballasts in a projector designed for a halogen bulb is not a good idea. The light dispersion pattern is just not right. If someone is going to do it on a US FRS they need to do a projector retrofit or buy new headlights to do it properly.

True there are some serious restrictions on HID bulbs here in the UK due to glare for oncoming drivers. They have to be self leveling and have washers for example.

Pet hate of mine, more so on the motorbike in rain, is people coming the other way with badly aligned headlights dazzling you.

I know people who go into the MOT (annual compulsory vehicle safety check) with their lights set to the lower limit, then as soon as they exit they raise them back up to blind everyone. Don't know if you US guys have the saying, "I'm alright jack"

[dnieves]

Almost every new slightly sporty becomes a Civic (Civic= initially new and sporty/reliable then modded to fill in performance/missing features of more expensive cars then bastardized when they become affordable to the cretins forms that think chrome door edge protectors look good on every seam).