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Old 02-15-2020, 05:33 AM   #29
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Why shift blame to KW as manufacturer or to their products if some retail shop decided to pull quickie on selling reused or refurbished product as new? And you do know that at least RCE's shocks are produced by KW by their custom specs/valving?
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I totally agree with getting a refund. However use this to realize kw are not good any more. Go with a company that actually cares about the 86 community like RCE or CSG. Both have reasonably priced options that we know are actually good.
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I will most likely buy from CSG and Iíll check out RCE
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Why shift blame to KW as manufacturer or to their products if some retail shop decided to pull quickie on selling reused or refurbished product as new? And you do know that at least RCE's shocks are produced by KW by their custom specs/valving?
Not sure. Either way I need to make an update:

86speed reached out to me to verify their products through KW.

Gave KW a call and they verified they distribute to 86speed under a different distribution center.

The boxes can vary and KW says they ship them out as is. Though 86speed does rework and check over ones that are damaged from shipping.
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Diffidently mounted before. Demand refund.
Ge the set from an actual KW retailer like RCE,ect.

List of KW dealers.
https://www.kwsuspensions.com/dealersearch

I'd also send KW an email letting them know what 86Speed is doing.
There are several distributors that resell KW to other shops. Any distributor that KW authorizes to resell can be considered a "dealer", just not direct with KW...

Options, Turn 14, Motovicity, and frankly anyone at the WD level of pricing. Some people get lowest possible price by buying direct, but they resell like crazy or move volume via secondary companies (selling under MAP) to achieve the quota requirements to maintain WD pricing.

Plus, looking at the list of dealers that is on the KW site, there's several that I can list that are outdated. Seems like the KW dealer network isn't updated.

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I totally agree with getting a refund. However use this to realize kw are not good any more. Go with a company that actually cares about the 86 community like RCE or CSG. Both have reasonably priced options that we know are actually good.
This has nothing to do with KW quality or performance. This has to do with someone sending back used/installed products, then the seller resells it as "brand new".

To throw KW under the bus for something they have zero control over is absurd.

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There are several distributors that resell KW to other shops. Any distributor that KW authorizes to resell can be considered a "dealer", just not direct with KW...

Options, Turn 14, Motovicity, and frankly anyone at the WD level of pricing. Some people get lowest possible price by buying direct, but they resell like crazy or move volume via secondary companies (selling under MAP) to achieve the quota requirements to maintain WD pricing.

Plus, looking at the list of dealers that is on the KW site, there's several that I can list that are outdated. Seems like the KW dealer network isn't updated.



This has nothing to do with KW quality or performance. This has to do with someone sending back used/installed products, then the seller resells it as "brand new".

To throw KW under the bus for something they have zero control over is absurd.

You are right, you should throw KW under the bus because they stopped caring a decade ago and now just coast on their name. For the 86, they are not good at all in any way.
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Why do you quote and tell that he is right when it's opposite to what you say?
And please post actual facts that KW doesn't care about this platform and their products are bad, to justify vendor bashing. (and no, shady retailer that KW has no influence on business practices of, cannot be blamed to KW. Just as if it had been some private seller here in classifieds or eg. on ebay selling used set while lying that it's new/unused).
AFAIK eg. KW V3 were well spoken of mid-budget offering of good quality and performance. Club Sports are higher end then V3 and more track oriented, thus less common choice, but i don't recall people posting bad reviews on them too. Not caring means what, that in very later years no new products released in lineup for platform? Maybe that means that old are good enough? Will original design date suddenly make them worse then eg. some BC based cheap shocks just because later are released less long ago? By this logic Bilstein i guess are no good either, as no new products from them came either. Same about Ohlins. Or eg. RCE offerings that were designed longer ago, and only very latest one is good.
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You are right, you should throw KW under the bus because they stopped caring a decade ago and now just coast on their name. For the 86, they are not good at all in any way.

...and what does this have to do with OP getting used/returned items that were sold "brand new"?

Who gives a shit if KW stopped caring. This has nothing to do with OP's issue about purchasing new product.
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...and what does this have to do with OP getting used/returned items that were sold "brand new"?

Who gives a shit if KW stopped caring. This has nothing to do with OP's issue about purchasing new product.

of course it does. He now gets to make a better decision.
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