How satisfied are you with your FR-S/BRZ?

[evomike]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

If it has no low end torque then it has no high end torque as the numbers are within 95% of each other and in the Edmunds dyno the peak torque came at 2.7k rpm. This is not like the S2000 where at best you're looking at 85% of your peak torque until you hit 6k rpm. Either the 86 "has torque down low" or "has no torque at all", you can't contradict what's been measured.

Power is a different story and I understand some people feel that it is underpowered and nothing I say will change that. And of course comparing torque to cars with bigger engines is silly, if that's the criteria then why discuss at all? Obviously the 86 "fails" in that aspect, not much to be said.

I can however be confused how in the world they struggle on 200 horses when many people remember the days when most cars had less than 100 and most cars sold today have less than 150.

the cars low end tq numbers are not good and the tq numbers arent good anywhere honestl, you can post all the dyno charts you want they arent showing good tq numbers.

[518]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

And of course comparing torque to cars with bigger engines is silly, if that's the criteria then why discuss at all? Obviously the 86 "fails" in that aspect, not much to be said.

Well said.

Originally Posted by abraxis

So what's stopping you? Btw, I find any comment of this car's quality as inferior to any Mitsubishi suspicious at best.

Agreed. The interior alone of this BRZ is far superior to my EVO X.

I understand that BRZ is slower than my EVOX. But, I find it more fun to drive much like my old NA Miata.

I feel sad for evomike. Purchased the 86 and completely disappointed, you didnt test drive before buying? Which EVO did you have, mike?

[Jond63]

Originally Posted by evomike

can I ask what other cars you have owned

'84 Prelude
'90 Miata
'98 BMW M3
'02 S2000
'06 WRX STi
'02 Corvette Z06
'13 Mazda2 -- THIS one you can call slow all day long!!!
'13 Scion FR-S

and a few other trucks...

but by far and away the FR-S is my favorite out of the box stock fun car. It's the balance... the balance! Haha!

[evomike]

Originally Posted by 518

Well said.



Agreed. The interior alone of this BRZ is far superior to my EVO X.

I understand that BRZ is slower than my EVOX. But, I find it more fun to drive much like my old NA Miata.

I feel sad for evomike. Purchased the 86 and completely disappointed, you didnt test drive before buying? Which EVO did you have, mike?

I had a Evo 8 rs.

The reason I hate it so much is because it's a complete pile of junk, the list of issues my car has makes it being slow and underpowered just a hassle. If I didnt have all the issues I probably wouldn't hate and nitpick but my car is junk, I'm honestly amazed it hasn't blown up yet since it has every other issue.

[SUB-FT86]

On a scale from 1-10 it ticks all the boxes I want in a sports car. So for me it's 10/10. If the car had 30-40 more lb ft of torque it would be a 11/10...lol

[serialk11r]

Originally Posted by evomike

you do realize that they are correct in saying it has no low end tq, those numbers are not good low end power numbers this car is very underpowered.

It's faster than the average car which is evidently good enough for all the happy buyers, if that's not fast enough for you there's plenty of choices out there...underpowered is relative.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by evomike

the cars low end tq numbers are not good and the tq numbers arent good anywhere honestl, you can post all the dyno charts you want they arent showing good tq numbers.

I'm fine saying that the car is low torque, I'm not fine with statements that contradict logic and data, low end rpm torque is not the problem, overall torque is the problem.

And that's like complaining muscle cars are too heavy or that the corolla suspension is too soft.

[evomike]

Originally Posted by serialk11r

It's faster than the average car which is evidently good enough for all the happy buyers, if that's not fast enough for you there's plenty of choices out there...underpowered is relative.

The funny thing is its not faster than most modern cars

[evomike]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

I'm fine saying that the car is low torque, I'm not fine with statements that contradict logic and data, low end rpm torque is not the problem, overall torque is the problem.

And that's like complaining muscle cars are too heavy or that the corolla suspension is too soft.

What statement contradict the data that there is no low end tq, just because that's where it makes its max tq does not mean it has good low end tq.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by evomike

The funny thing is its not faster than most modern cars

Yep spoken like a true pedal masher.
I have not once thought to myself "I need more power" nor have I ever had an issue passing, merging or accelerating when I needed too.
Oh and at 30,000 miles in 9 months I have not had one single issue. Not one.

[evomike]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Yep spoken like a true pedal masher.
I have not once thought to myself "I need more power" nor have I ever had an issue passing, merging or accelerating when I needed too.
Oh and at 30,000 miles in 9 months I have not had one single issue. Not one.

To deny the car needs more power is foolish, it's the cars biggest downfall but people deny it because they have this foolish notion that the car is perfect. This car would have good power for the 90's but in this day in age it's very underpowered. My car is bolt on modded where everyone says it's great and compared to similarly modded s2000's it's slow, honestly with the intake exhaust and such it's still slower than a stock s2000 and I don't think it drives as good.

[evomike]

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

Indeed. I love my S2000, and it is fun, but even with 40 extra hp, it is SLOW compared to a LOT of cars.

Anybody who has been in a light turbocharged car making over 300hp (which is easily obtainable in a LOT of cars) has a totally different mindset.

The s2000 is slow also but was so a car designed forever ago and never changed, this car was designed for that time but came out in the current market. I don't need the car to have tons of power I have another car for that, but to say it's not underpowered it's completely foolish. There is no reason this car shouldn't have come with a wrx motor or even a FI 2az

[Bergen23]

@evomike you're obviously driving on the wrong roads. The car excels in curvy, tight roads, and the driving experience more than makes up for what the car lacks in straight line speed. Never once have I said "Damn, I'm at WOT right now and I just wish I could blow past this mustang that's trying to race me on a public road." What actually happens, is the mustang blows past me on the straights, then I catch up to them on a turn, or an on/off ramp and blow past them. Much more fun taking a turn quickly than going fast in a straight line.

After riding a Yamaha R6, which went 120kmh in first gear, and did 140-200kmh in something like 3 seconds, I don't need a fast car. I went north of 200 far too many times, and was far too inexperienced for that speed. If you want something fast, you bought the wrong car, especially since the twins have more than enough power to get you in trouble in stock form.

[ScoobsMcGee]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Yep spoken like a true pedal masher.
I have not once thought to myself "I need more power" nor have I ever had an issue passing, merging or accelerating when I needed too.
Oh and at 30,000 miles in 9 months I have not had one single issue. Not one.

I'm at 13,000 miles in 9 months and felt like I was putting too many on the car. Turns out I've been slacking!

Edit:
@evomike I'm sorry to see you so unhappy with your FRS and hope you either find a way to be more content or to get out of it with minimal loss. However, there is no such thing as a universal opinion about the car's power. What may feel underpowered to you could be too much power to a driver who is less experienced or who has a significantly different driving style. Others may be completely content with what it has. If everyone were to be the same we wouldn't have the choices we do, so at least we can be glad for that.