GT 86 vs. BMW 125i - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

OnkelC · 07-28-2012, 02:20 PM

From German Car mag "Autobild":
http://www.autobild.de/artikel/bmw-1...h-3539189.html
titled "Toyota beats BMW".

Summary:

Quote:

It may sound surprising, but comparing the two opponents as sports cars, there can be only one winner: the Toyota GT 86. BMW 125i coupe makes for the more civilized package for everyday life and its engine is a monument in its own right. The better sports car comes from Japan, though. The GT 86 is tuned consistently to dynamic with ultra-agile temperament and precise handling, driving pleasure that does not have to cost 50,000 euros and/or require at least 300 hp. It works without turbo, active suspension and high-tech overkill. Lightweight, rear-wheel drive and high-revving naturally aspirated engine: The old concept still rocks.

Autobild is renowned for favoring german car makers in comparison tests, so this comes as a bit of a surprise.

Allch Chcar · 07-28-2012, 05:49 PM

I started to read it in German. But than realized I don't understand German.

My favorite quote was, "I do not drive cars, but my butt had wheels"

Thanks for shattering my dreams for the BMW 1 series, autobild. Danke.

quik1987 · 09-05-2012, 02:48 AM

I was about to make a thread about these cars, think it's pretty good comparison
http://translate.google.com/translat...h-3539189.html

termigni · 09-06-2012, 10:19 AM

I concur

diirk · 09-06-2012, 10:23 AM

And the GT86 looks much better, sportier.

///Murph · 09-06-2012, 01:46 PM

lmao yea but a 1 series dusts an FR-S.

diirk · 09-06-2012, 01:49 PM

In price and HP.
I was considering a 135i but I didn't like it enough to pay that much.

SubieNate · 09-06-2012, 01:54 PM

The 1 series is so close in price (depending on options) to the new 328 that I'd have a hard time choosing between the two. Obviously the 335 would be a better comparison power wise, but I think the new 3 series chassis is brilliant.

Nathan

elbles · 09-06-2012, 07:44 PM

Despite cross-shopping them myself, I don't really see them as direct competitors. But, the article says it perfectly: if you're comparing them as sports cars, there's simply no competition. The Toyobaru is, the BMW isn't.

But, if you're comparing them as year-round daily drivers... competition. The 1er is a much nicer place to spend time behind the wheel, in my book, despite being roughly equal in amenities on paper.

My ideal DD has the body of the BRZ, the engine and clutch of the BMW, the shifter of the BRZ, and the interior/general quality of the BMW.

quik1987 · 09-15-2012, 03:16 PM

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8mF9vRsv7s"]Toyota GT 86 V/S BMW 120i, Mazda Roadster, VW Scirocco [OFFICIAL VIDEO] - YouTube[/ame]

Euro125i 5dr vs. A 250
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BfiNbOTNT0"]BMW 125i vs. Mercedes-Benz A 250 (English Subtitled) - YouTube[/ame]

09-05-2012, 02:48 AM	#3
quik1987 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Drives: Bugatti Veyron Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 1,338 Thanks: 141 Thanked 569 Times in 256 Posts Mentioned: 10 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I was about to make a thread about these cars, think it's pretty good comparison http://translate.google.com/translat...h-3539189.html Last edited by quik1987; 09-05-2012 at 03:41 AM.

09-06-2012, 10:19 AM	#4
termigni Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: S2000 Location: Ridgefield Park, NJ Posts: 37 Thanks: 1 Thanked 9 Times in 8 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I concur

09-06-2012, 01:46 PM	#6
///Murph Banned Join Date: Aug 2012 Drives: FR-S Raven Location: Winston Salem, NC Posts: 37 Thanks: 0 Thanked 8 Times in 4 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	lmao yea but a 1 series dusts an FR-S.

09-06-2012, 01:54 PM	#8
SubieNate Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Drives: 2013 FR-S Ultramarine Location: Temecula, CA Posts: 959 Thanks: 288 Thanked 560 Times in 269 Posts Mentioned: 6 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The 1 series is so close in price (depending on options) to the new 328 that I'd have a hard time choosing between the two. Obviously the 335 would be a better comparison power wise, but I think the new 3 series chassis is brilliant. Nathan

09-06-2012, 07:44 PM	#9
elbles Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Drives: 2013 Subaru BRZ Location: New England Posts: 42 Thanks: 4 Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Despite cross-shopping them myself, I don't really see them as direct competitors. But, the article says it perfectly: if you're comparing them as sports cars, there's simply no competition. The Toyobaru is, the BMW isn't. But, if you're comparing them as year-round daily drivers... competition. The 1er is a much nicer place to spend time behind the wheel, in my book, despite being roughly equal in amenities on paper. My ideal DD has the body of the BRZ, the engine and clutch of the BMW, the shifter of the BRZ, and the interior/general quality of the BMW.

09-15-2012, 03:16 PM	#10
quik1987 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Drives: Bugatti Veyron Location: Toronto, ON Posts: 1,338 Thanks: 141 Thanked 569 Times in 256 Posts Mentioned: 10 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8mF9vRsv7s"]Toyota GT 86 V/S BMW 120i, Mazda Roadster, VW Scirocco [OFFICIAL VIDEO] - YouTube[/ame] Euro125i 5dr vs. A 250 [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BfiNbOTNT0"]BMW 125i vs. Mercedes-Benz A 250 (English Subtitled) - YouTube[/ame]

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