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Old 09-28-2013, 04:43 AM   #1
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Hyundai Veloster...

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I was thinking about all this Toyobaru/The Twins deal... and I thought, what about the Veloster? It looks quiet similar, came out at about the same time... I think it is pretty much the Hatch FRS/86/BRZ... Does anyone else agree? Considering they are both very similar. In my opinion, they both fall into the same category. Basically this whole thing is just like the 4WD ute deal last year, with the Mitsubishi Triton, Toyota Hilux, etcetera... So now there is a small-ish sporty car thing going on. Who will be next? Mitsubishi? Mazda already has the RX-8 which ALSO pretty much falls into the same category.

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Old 09-28-2013, 05:19 AM   #2
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Old 09-28-2013, 05:21 AM   #3
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If the Australian Veloster is even remotely similar to the US version, then I have no idea what you're talking about. It's a slow, squishy, front wheel drive economy car.
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Old 09-28-2013, 05:40 AM   #4
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I assume you mean the Veloster Turbo. And the answer is still no.

Aside from the fact that the Twins and the Veloster are small, relatively inexpensive cars advertised as "fun" rides, the two have very little in common. The Hyundai is FWD, which alone puts a lot of distance between the two vehicles.* And as far as I can tell all Hyundai changed from the normal Veloster was adding a small turbocharger and a sportier interior. The chassis, suspension, transmission, steering, etc. are virtually unchanged from the base model, which means that while the Turbo is about as powerful as the Twins it's an uninspiring driving experience.

So no, I wouldn't put the Veloster in the same category as the Twins. Having said that, I do think the Twins are almost singlehandedly bringing back the inexpensive compact sports car market. As Chris Harris on /Drive puts it, the world needs to get back to a point where we're enjoying "performance because of its nature, not because of its quantity."



*FWD isn't necessarily a death sentence, as the Focus ST is still decently fun to drive.
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http://www.edmunds.com/scion/fr-s/20...ison-test.html <-- Check out this so you can possibly refine your opinions.
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http://www.edmunds.com/scion/fr-s/20...ison-test.html <-- Check out this so you can possibly refine your opinions.
I remember reading that a long time ago. You didn't say Turbo, and I've only driven the NA version myself, so that's all I can use for a first hand comparison. That being said, I still say there's no comparison, even comparing it to the Turbo. Did you read the whole article, or just the first part?

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We came away from the Veloster Turbo disappointed. It's not a convincing sporting proposition, rather a package that trades heavily on its funky styling and unusual asymmetry.
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I can't believe you think they look similar the veloster's lines make me wanna barf.


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The veloster is shit. Doesn't matter if its turbo or not. It might be cool for a 16 year old girl or an old lady but it drives and handles like shit. We could not sell used velosters at our dealership to save our lives. For the price of veloster go get a scion tc or a corolla because its such more bang for the buck.
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In fairness, it did out-slalom the FR-S, according to that article. But that is it.
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I've driven the non-turbo veloster and unless there is something radically different with the turbo other then power there is no real comparison. Also keep in mind that 200hp with a turbo is not as good as 200hp NA.
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Yet another in the long line of horrible comparisons..
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I like the Veloster Turbo on paper. In practice, they took a potentially good hot hatch candidate, gave it some more aggressive styling and a spunkier engine, and then neutered it with gearing for higher MPG. No LSD, and in the Hyundai Think Tank chats I've participated in, they didn't really seem very focused on making it much better either. I was told right away that IRS would never be considered for their higher horsepower model - keep in mind that this is back when the Turbo model didn't even exist and we were chatting about "a possible new sporty trim addition to the Veloster lineup. Kudos to them for making an economy car available with a matte paint option, though.

Based on my experience with the car itself, I was more disappointed than I expected to be. The touch points aren't very good, parts feel overly cheap even if they look okay on the inside, and it just doesn't feel that great to drive. As a slightly-faster appliance car, it should do fine. But there are plenty of other cars in its segment I'd pick way before I had to settle on the VT.
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I drove both the turbo and non-turbo version and the Veloster is really not a drivers car at all. It is geared toward being a different looking car that has lots of tech features and gets good gas mileage for a good price.

It is not even close to being a drivers car. The electric power steering in the car is very poor IMHO, and this is a problem across all Hyundai cars that I have driven that use electric steering (the Gencoupe still uses hydraulic). The manual transmission is just okay. The driving dynamics are just not there compared to the FR-S/BRZ and it is not even close.

It is a good car for a hipster who cares more about tech features and MPG, and a different design than a driving enthusiast.
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I'd love to have the Veloster's trick 3rd door on my BRZ.
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