ongoing experience with fa20club tune - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

benoit · 01-02-2013, 01:45 PM

I posted a few weeks ago some early impressions, I figured that there must be a number of noobs like me who would like to get a first hand experience with the stage 1, 1.5 tuning from fa20club.

First of all, I am not a tuning expert, I do have a long background in many aspects of software engineering and was curious to see what a reprogramming of the ECU would be able to do. I started with a little bit of "snake oil fear" but sent my $$ for the base stage 1 + cable kit.

I received my kit after about 5 days and found it pretty easy to use initially. I do have an old laptop use just for the reflashing fun and got the software going and installed in about 30 minutes.

I received an initial tune from fa20club on the same day and found the flashing process to be pretty straightforward. The whole licence key stuff can be a bit tricky, but I got the car going with the initial tune and took it for a quick drive.

The first 5 minutes of driving where, as expected, unresponsive since the engine is creating it's calibration parameters, but after that initial learning, the car was obviously a much more aggressive machine, even the engine noise was pretty different from the stock.
The biggest difference was how responsive the car got.

I captured a few initial log (easy to do, harder to find a long clear road) and went thru the process of sending my logs to fa20 and receiving an updated tune after a few hours.

This is one of the impressive aspects of fa20club, how much they seem to nearly always have someone ready to look at your tunes or get you out of a corner (more on this later).

I went thru 8 iterations of log -> tune and at this point do have a really fun car to drive. The rev limiter is up to 8000 rpm and I had a chance to compare the performance with stock in two ways:

Using torque and an ODB2 logger, I did a computation of the wheel horsepower before/after, this number needs to be seen as relative to one another, not an absolute value. I went from 162 hp at the wheels to 177 hp.
The zero to 60 with a modest launch at 3000 rpm went from 7.4 to 6.5 ! Once again, take this number with a grain of salt, but the difference is striking.

On the problem side, I got myself in a corner twice:

First time was the laptop going in sleep mode during reflash... you do end up with a car which will not start at all and unable to try the flash again. the reason for this is that the licence key is transfered from the dongle to the ECU itself. if you end up with a partial flash, your licence key is lost and you at stuck.
I e-mailed to fa20club (a friday at 6 pm PST) and got a new key in 30 minutes and got back and running. that is service !

The second time, I hit a bug(?) in the ecutek software which caused the flash to fail at start, same situation and once again fa20club saved me in 1 hour !

Since then, it does look like ecutek fixed this bug and i did not see it back yet.

Next step now is to get racerom in my ECU and maybe start to play with 100 octane mode, but...

if you do have an brz, you are missing a LOT of the car by not using a tune. the difference is really something.

tdoggy57 · 01-02-2013, 02:49 PM

Everything I read about this tune makes me want to get it more and more.

I hope it really is as easy to do as you guys say!

tech4pdx · 01-02-2013, 09:00 PM

I have this tune on a stock car and I concur with these impressions, so far. It will be drinking corn juice later this week. More impressions to follow. Dyno hopefully in a week or two (getting GFB pulleys and lightweight battery put in). I'm just about ready to pull the trigger on a turbo kit and will look forward to E85 on that.

tech4pdx · 01-02-2013, 09:01 PM

Although I'm a V8 guy through and through, these little 2 liters are lots of fun!

industrial · 01-03-2013, 10:14 AM

Wow, these guys really seem to go above and beyond. Usually it's just a canned tune and kthxbai! Sounds like they take the time to make sure your car runs right.

Dave-ROR · 01-03-2013, 10:38 AM

Nice review. Luckily I'm only a 3-4 hour drive from them, I'll just head down there and have him tune it on the dyno.

JoeBoxer · 01-03-2013, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by industrial

Wow, these guys really seem to go above and beyond. Usually it's just a canned tune and kthxbai! Sounds like they take the time to make sure your car runs right.

Exactly, he has worked with me for a few months now and every time it gets better.

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Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Nice review. Luckily I'm only a 3-4 hour drive from them, I'll just head down there and have him tune it on the dyno.

I would definitely, you won't regret it.

Dave-ROR · 01-03-2013, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeBoxer

I would definitely, you won't regret it.

I would have already, but other items are more important (suspension and brakes

)

JoeBoxer · 01-03-2013, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

I would have already, but other items are more important (suspension and brakes

)

Working on that myself now...

white devil · 01-03-2013, 02:50 PM

looking forward to the flex fuel kit from Tony.....

tech4pdx · 01-03-2013, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by white devil

looking forward to the flex fuel kit from Tony.....

Ditto

jflogerzi · 01-04-2013, 11:48 PM

Thats it! I am ordering the Stage 2 Tune because I will have my aFe Intake. With the Intake, light weight pulley, and this tune, I hope this really gives this car an extra kick. FA20 Club will earn my business over john. I rather deal with a company than just 1 person. This is not a knock on John or his ability at all. Please people do not take my comments in the wrong way.

JoeBoxer · 01-04-2013, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jflogerzi

Thats it! I am ordering the Stage 2 Tune because I will have my aFe Intake. With the Intake, light weight pulley, and this tune, I hope this really gives this car an extra kick. FA20 Club will earn my business over john. I rather deal with a company than just 1 person. This is not a knock on John or his ability at all. Please people do not take my comments in the wrong way.

FA20 is one tuner also, Toni does an amazing job i flashed a new file tonight and can't get over the smoothness of it already. You will be pleased, i know i am.

jflogerzi · 01-05-2013, 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeBoxer

FA20 is one tuner also, Toni does an amazing job i flashed a new file tonight and can't get over the smoothness of it already. You will be pleased, i know i am.

Good to know. FA20Club does have a shop correct?

01-02-2013, 01:45 PM	#1
benoit Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Drives: BRZ MT Location: California Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 5 Times in 2 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	ongoing experience with fa20club tune I posted a few weeks ago some early impressions, I figured that there must be a number of noobs like me who would like to get a first hand experience with the stage 1, 1.5 tuning from fa20club. First of all, I am not a tuning expert, I do have a long background in many aspects of software engineering and was curious to see what a reprogramming of the ECU would be able to do. I started with a little bit of "snake oil fear" but sent my $$ for the base stage 1 + cable kit. I received my kit after about 5 days and found it pretty easy to use initially. I do have an old laptop use just for the reflashing fun and got the software going and installed in about 30 minutes. I received an initial tune from fa20club on the same day and found the flashing process to be pretty straightforward. The whole licence key stuff can be a bit tricky, but I got the car going with the initial tune and took it for a quick drive. The first 5 minutes of driving where, as expected, unresponsive since the engine is creating it's calibration parameters, but after that initial learning, the car was obviously a much more aggressive machine, even the engine noise was pretty different from the stock. The biggest difference was how responsive the car got. I captured a few initial log (easy to do, harder to find a long clear road) and went thru the process of sending my logs to fa20 and receiving an updated tune after a few hours. This is one of the impressive aspects of fa20club, how much they seem to nearly always have someone ready to look at your tunes or get you out of a corner (more on this later). I went thru 8 iterations of log -> tune and at this point do have a really fun car to drive. The rev limiter is up to 8000 rpm and I had a chance to compare the performance with stock in two ways: Using torque and an ODB2 logger, I did a computation of the wheel horsepower before/after, this number needs to be seen as relative to one another, not an absolute value. I went from 162 hp at the wheels to 177 hp. The zero to 60 with a modest launch at 3000 rpm went from 7.4 to 6.5 ! Once again, take this number with a grain of salt, but the difference is striking. On the problem side, I got myself in a corner twice: First time was the laptop going in sleep mode during reflash... you do end up with a car which will not start at all and unable to try the flash again. the reason for this is that the licence key is transfered from the dongle to the ECU itself. if you end up with a partial flash, your licence key is lost and you at stuck. I e-mailed to fa20club (a friday at 6 pm PST) and got a new key in 30 minutes and got back and running. that is service ! The second time, I hit a bug(?) in the ecutek software which caused the flash to fail at start, same situation and once again fa20club saved me in 1 hour ! Since then, it does look like ecutek fixed this bug and i did not see it back yet. Next step now is to get racerom in my ECU and maybe start to play with 100 octane mode, but... if you do have an brz, you are missing a LOT of the car by not using a tune. the difference is really something.

01-03-2013, 10:38 AM	#6
Dave-ROR Site Moderator Join Date: Dec 2010 Drives: Stuff Location: Florida Posts: 10,317 Thanks: 955 Thanked 5,965 Times in 2,689 Posts Mentioned: 262 Post(s) Tagged: 8 Thread(s)	Nice review. Luckily I'm only a 3-4 hour drive from them, I'll just head down there and have him tune it on the dyno. __________________ -Dave Track cars: 2013 Scion FRS, 1998 Acura Integra Type-R, 1993 Honda Civic Hatchback DD: 2005 Acura TSX Tow: 2022 F-450 Toys: 2001 Chevrolet Corvette Z06, 1993 Toyota MR2 Turbo, 1994 Toyota MR2 Turbo, 1991 Mitsubishi Galant VR-4 Parts: 2015 Subaru BRZ Limited, 2005 Acura TSX Projects: 2013 Subaru BRZ Limited track car build FS: 2004 GMC Sierra 2500 LT CCSB 8.1/Allison with 99k miles

01-03-2013, 02:50 PM	#10
white devil Go Gators! Join Date: Jun 2012 Drives: FRS White-out "blown up" Location: Knox area, TN Posts: 394 Thanks: 245 Thanked 111 Times in 79 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	looking forward to the flex fuel kit from Tony..... __________________ "What do you mean I voided my warranty??" FA20 Turbo + HRI Tune + FA20 Flex fuel + FA20club intake + SRT headerback exhaust + FA20 headers + KW3's + Hotchkis front and rear sway bars + Cusco strut tower bar + Perrin oil cooler + Perrin pulley & brake stop thingy + GFB water & alternator pulleys + Crawford air/oil separator

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