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Old 11-29-2012, 04:32 PM   #15
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Don't like the extra 400+ lbs...
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Old 11-29-2012, 05:23 PM   #16
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I mean.. it's not for many of us (myself included).

However I do think it's pretty bad ass. I am all for R&D.
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what amazing innovation!!! FRS is changing the game!! brilliant! what a cornerstone achievement!
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Old 11-29-2012, 06:38 PM   #18
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ah nice... so what next? drifting in an electric FRS? .
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I dig em too...best I've seen so far...but I haven't seen anything out of the LA show yet. Car would be a nice competitor for BMW's i3 if both came to the market.
Google "RS Watanabe"... Can't get a hold of some legit Watanabe's? Checkout Panasport.

What I like about ID, almost all of the parts you see on their cars exist. I mean, Tsuchiya san is behind the scenes so shit can make any kind of sense right? hahahaha

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Old 11-29-2012, 10:47 PM   #20
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More torque?? But at what cost? 200kg of weight with half the HP? No thanks!
The electric motor's power rating has almost nothing to do with the peak power unlike ICE(internal combustion engine). That 75kw is what it is rated to maintain for 1 hour. Electric motors can generate far more than that for brief bursts of time, but it depends on the controller's amperage limit and the battery pack's discharge rating.

There's no way to know how much power it's actually generating without more info.

I just wish there was more info. :/
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Old 11-30-2012, 01:47 AM   #21
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Just so you guys know, all this hybrid electric BS doesn't make sense. I rather burn coal in my car, then someone burning coal to make electricity and then using electricity. Making electricity at its best systems is like 7% of its original energy. Who actually ends up doing more damage?
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I've always dreamed I would do this to my BRZ when it becomes old, hopefully in 20 years I still have her and the battery tech is quite advanced that switching to electric is considered an upgrade rather than a compromise
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Just so you guys know, all this hybrid electric BS doesn't make sense. I rather burn coal in my car, then someone burning coal to make electricity and then using electricity. Making electricity at its best systems is like 7% of its original energy. Who actually ends up doing more damage?
True, however in the U.S. we have considerably more coal than oil (to quote my professor: "we have a $#!tload of coal here"), so electric cars may have to tide us over until the next propulsion invention comes around.
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I for one hate going to the gas station and spending $40 everytime I fill up. It's inconvenient and spending. It would be so much easier to spend $1 and simply plug my car in when I get home or at work or at the grocery. I don't like hybrids because I still have to go to the store and it will use lots of gas still since it they only go a minimal amount of miles before needing gas (prius plug in, volt, fisker, etc). Saving $1500-$2500 on gas a year would be super.

Electric 86 for the win! And Telsa as well if it didn't cost me so much.

City smog would be an afterthought if all cars were electric. :happy0180:
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It's cool but i still love the smell of petrol and exhaust making noise more.
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I for one hate going to the gas station and spending $40 everytime I fill up. It's inconvenient and spending. It would be so much easier to spend $1 and simply plug my car in when I get home or at work or at the grocery. I don't like hybrids because I still have to go to the store and it will use lots of gas still since it they only go a minimal amount of miles before needing gas (prius plug in, volt, fisker, etc). Saving $1500-$2500 on gas a year would be super.

Electric 86 for the win! And Telsa as well if it didn't cost me so much.

City smog would be an afterthought if all cars were electric. :happy0180:
Also ideally electric cars should be build from the ground up as an electric car, putting the batteries flat at the bottom (Tesla S, Leaf) because that's where the weight is best kept. Battery tech is already great and already here. The issue is we just need a place to plug in our cars wherever we go, which is already possible, just a hassle (have to ask someone and whip out your extension cord). Ideally each parking spot at a grocery store would have a plug on it. Current electric cars can go over 100 (Leaf) and even over 200+ (Tesla). 95% of people don't drive more than 100 miles a day.

One of the biggest issues with electric car is and always will be the upfront cost will be higher vs gas cars. Are you willing to spend a little more now to save the rest of it's life or spend less now and spend more constantly over time (not just gas but also many more parts to fail). Many brain studies have shown people will spend less now vs more now.


If there was an 86 in both electric and gas versions with the electric costing $5k more and both had similar performance, I would go electric every time. You'd recoup the $5k in gas alone in the first 2-3 years.
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This is exactly what I plan to do with my Dad's '87 MR2 whenever he decides to sell it to me - after it spends a few years with a Blacktop 20v.
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If there was an 86 in both electric and gas versions with the electric costing $5k more and both had similar performance, I would go electric every time. You'd recoup the $5k in gas alone in the first 2-3 years.
Hypothetically speaking even if i would save more than $20k on petrol i still wouldn't choose electric over petrol engine. There's something about a smelly, noisy engine that no electric engine can replace.

Empty road, radio off, window down and just hear the engine rev..
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