Another intake thread (sorry) What's the best deal with OUT problems - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

jacobzking · 06-12-2013, 07:25 PM

I'm reading that the injen intake causes the MAF to not read correctly, even though its best bang for the buck, not worth the headache to me...

So whats the best deal on an intake? Drop in filter? Silicone hose kit from eBay? Takeda? I just want a little extra power without headaches.

I know I'm not gonna get an extra 1200rwhp out of an intake, but any little bit will help with this car. What are your thoughts?

KKaWing · 06-12-2013, 07:30 PM

AEM, it's chipped to correct the MAF readings.

BadMoon · 06-12-2013, 08:31 PM

After researching I think the AEM is my choice. I want the Perrin but I'm not removing the front bumper.

jacobzking · 06-12-2013, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KKaWing

AEM, it's chipped to correct the MAF readings.

I thought you were being a ****, lol, a "chipped intake," but damn, it's legit. Thanks! Ill read up on it.

Vegas Racing · 06-12-2013, 09:00 PM

Intake of choice + tune to correct readings = best way to go.

jonbonazza · 06-12-2013, 09:01 PM

Even with the chipped aem intake, I would still get a tune...

SloS14 · 06-12-2013, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jacobzking

I thought you were being a ****, lol, a "chipped intake," but damn, it's legit. Thanks! Ill read up on it.

Same here. I was like "better research before I make an ass out of myself"

Edit: also DAMN cars are picky about mods these days.

Ingen · 06-12-2013, 09:07 PM

Trd for me. Love it.

Seriously though, I actually already have it and really do like it. The sound change is excellent and the engine bay looks a lot less cluttered. Also, the installation is ridiculously easy. They clearly developed the car with this intake under the hood, then pulled it out and made the other one fit.

Calum · 06-13-2013, 03:15 AM

stock

Fast_Freddy · 06-13-2013, 03:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonbonazza

Even with the chipped aem intake, I would still get a tune...

Why?

wparsons · 06-13-2013, 08:09 AM

Because the AEM chip is nothing but a MAF translator to "correct" the MAF reading, it doesn't actually look at AFR's, etc and could make you run too lean or rich.

IMO, ditch the chip and get a proper tune.

jonbonazza · 06-13-2013, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wparsons

Because the AEM chip is nothing but a MAF translator to "correct" the MAF reading, it doesn't actually look at AFR's, etc and could make you run too lean or rich.

IMO, ditch the chip and get a proper tune.

This.

jwjknorr · 06-13-2013, 12:45 PM

THose who say its a maf translator do not know what they are talking about. It does not confuse or adjust the maf reading. Please dont assume things just by reading chip. It acts as a interface that cleans up the maf reading allowing for a more precise reading. They explain it by taking static out of the reading. All i know is wheni tried my aem without it ran like a crappy injen or air raid without a tune. With it it sounds better runs smother and although not huge gains as older cars use to show with intake, you can feel it and net good results. With a good tune it shows better gains.

wparsons · 06-13-2013, 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwjknorr

THose who say its a maf translator do not know what they are talking about. It does not confuse or adjust the maf reading. Please dont assume things just by reading chip. It acts as a interface that cleans up the maf reading allowing for a more precise reading. They explain it by taking static out of the reading. All i know is wheni tried my aem without it ran like a crappy injen or air raid without a tune. With it it sounds better runs smother and although not huge gains as older cars use to show with intake, you can feel it and net good results. With a good tune it shows better gains.

It absolutely adjusts the MAF reading, it's not "cleaning up" the reading, it's adjusting it because they change the MAF placement. There's no static in the reading, that implies the stock MAF is faulty.

The reason your car runs better with the chip is because it's modifying the MAF reading to compensate for the changed MAF placement (and changed tube diameter where the MAF sits).

At the end of the day it's just guessing though, where as a proper tune takes a lot of other factors into account to get the engine running optimally.

If you were to dyno the car with the chip (log AFR's!) then remove the chip and have it properly tuned, dyno it again (log AFR's again!) and compare the two charts you'll find the AFR's are better across the board with a proper tune and no chip than with the stock tune and the chip and you'll have more power.

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Ingen Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Drives: Ultramarine FR-S 6MT Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 525 Thanks: 349 Thanked 204 Times in 121 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Trd for me. Love it. Seriously though, I actually already have it and really do like it. The sound change is excellent and the engine bay looks a lot less cluttered. Also, the installation is ridiculously easy. They clearly developed the car with this intake under the hood, then pulled it out and made the other one fit. __________________ Car Received: 10/18. Break in ended: 10/28 Goal: Openflash UEL headers, Stage II 93 oct, TRD intake, arm rest :P Last edited by Ingen; 06-13-2013 at 08:02 AM.

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jwjknorr Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Drives: FRS 2013 Location: South Jersey Posts: 139 Thanks: 13 Thanked 17 Times in 16 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	THose who say its a maf translator do not know what they are talking about. It does not confuse or adjust the maf reading. Please dont assume things just by reading chip. It acts as a interface that cleans up the maf reading allowing for a more precise reading. They explain it by taking static out of the reading. All i know is wheni tried my aem without it ran like a crappy injen or air raid without a tune. With it it sounds better runs smother and although not huge gains as older cars use to show with intake, you can feel it and net good results. With a good tune it shows better gains.

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