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Old 12-05-2012, 05:47 PM   #113
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i think it would definitely add to the MSRP. but the reliability shouldn't be an issue its a very simple design, throttle response shouldn't be much different. my guess would be 230crank 170lb/ft (at 7400rpm redline) with valvematic, the ECU could be tuned (from the factory) to run as much timing as possible without knock. with 8500rpm who knows what kind of power it could make.
How about MPG? Tq curve, where hp makes?

In reality, do you feel that tq drop? When I drove it, I can't really tell

Anyways, this topic can go into Engine thread
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Are there any plans to offer a cheaper and lighter striped down version of the FR-S?
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How about MPG? Tq curve, where hp makes?

In reality, do you feel that tq drop? When I drove it, I can't really tell

more than anything i just want to know if it was considered or not and why.
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Old 12-05-2012, 06:09 PM   #116
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Besides, why would it matter to you? You already got your FR-S (apparently ideally as you wanted). You may not want or need any of those things but for me and many others, they are very important to have in a car.
No I haven't gotten mine (and may never, we'll see what the next two weeks bring) but that's an issue for another discussion.

For a 25k car it sure is hard to find for less than 28k, I was going to ask Scion why I was unable to obtain the car as advertised ($24,955) but received the answer that "dealers feel it is within their rights to not take orders and add options as they please to increase profit margins" so I'll pass on asking them anything. This'll be my last post (barring a quality question that comes to mind) so I'll stop the clutter, I needed the rant. Feel free to PM me if you want more details or to know how I feel.

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Does Toyota have plans to help/encourage the development of a spec racing series, similar to Spec Miata?

I basically want to know if Spec 86 will be the next Spec Miata, with huge fields of cars training a new generation of drivers. Toyota could help foster this by supporting racers with a discount on common replacement parts and building relationships with aftermarket parts manufacturers and racing organizations.

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How about MPG? Tq curve, where hp makes?

In reality, do you feel that tq drop? When I drove it, I can't really tell

Anyways, this topic can go into Engine thread
I know you always said you couldn't feel it but on my two test drives, it was pretty obvious to me. And no, I totally wasn't thinking about it when it happened. I was just accelerating onto the highway at full throttle and was like, "Oh, it's not pushing as much anymore?" It's not terrible but to have a linear/progressive pushing feeling all thru the rev-range would make this engine perfect IMO.
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No I haven't gotten mine (and may never, we'll see what the next two weeks bring) but that's an issue for another discussion.

For a 25k car it sure is hard to find for less than 28k, I was going to ask Scion why I was unable to obtain the car as advertised ($24,955) but received the answer that "dealers feel it is within their rights to not take orders and add options as they please to increase profit margins" so I'll pass on asking them anything. This'll be my last post (barring a quality question that comes to mind) so I'll stop the clutter, I needed the rant. Feel free to PM me if you want more details or to know how I feel.

Thanks ichitaka for setting this up!
Yes, I wholeheartedly disagree on dealers adding/forcing options on you. Especially on a Scion. Fortunately, the dealers around here are selling them at MSRP and are not adding options for the most part. So I think it's just a matter of you finding a reputable dealer who can get you what you want. Or try the Subaru if you are willing to spend another grand and don't mind the styling/handling differences. There are even ways to get discounts on Subarus vs Scions so you might be able to get it down to the price of the FR-S eventually.
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Dear lord all of those suggestions are awful. They can't put that stuff in and retain the current price point, they aren't competing with Subaru, it's supposed to be a lower trim model. Add them on later if you want but all that junk is stuff I don't want on my car, obviously Toyota agrees.

Although I am curious about the Michelins vs. Bridgestones.
Scion agrees. Toyota does not agree, they have all that 'junk' on their cars, but you dont have toyotas in the states.

Keyless, p2s, HID, modern climate control, and a nicer interior are junk now a days huh... lemme guess, because racecar?
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To Scion:
Scion is known for customization, when can we expect to do that since there are next to no options yet (eg. fog lights, spoiler, and TRD accessories)?

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What moment in the development of the vehicle gave you the most satisfaction?
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Old 12-06-2012, 06:33 AM   #122
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What is your favourite colour for the 86?
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Maybe as a bonus question: Can you give us any more hints about Toyota's other upcoming sports cars?
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How much power can the engine and driveline withstand reliably? people have already modified the car to past 500hp.
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Well, you blew me out of the water when you said that I can not ask about future models, specifically the MR-S. If you do not come up with enough great questions then please ask him about future plans. Obviously congratulate him on the success of the FR-S/BRZ and all the acclaim the car has received.
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