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Old 09-25-2019, 07:57 PM   #631
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Yeah I must admit this is stretching or breaking the truth of what was said, Tetsuya Tada never said anything about the 86 surpassing the Supra. He talks about sports cars always evolving and getting better and used Porsche as an example of this in the interview, but there was no mention of this ďleap frogĒ business.
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T-tops are not a great solution... Still sacrifice stiffness and add weight. Center cross beam gives back a tiny amount of bending stiffness in an awkward place, midway between the A-pillars to midway between the B-pillars, and does next to nothing for torsional stiffness.

Difficult and ill-advised to try to make a car intended as a fixed-roof coupe into an open-top roadster. Again, you're gonna add weight and sacrifice stiffness, there's just no way around it. The roof as a shear panel is just soooo structurally efficient.
There is also the issue of crash crumple zones and longitudinal impact resistance that comes into play. It isn't just performance stiffness that would have to be made up for without the full roof. The roof itself does not give strength but it does direct the forces of a crash to the places that can absorb it.

People think that the Targa was a Toyota concept but it was actually a custom made by Cartel Customs. It did not need to be reinforced to pass crash tests like a production car would.
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I do like the way the RF looks, but I can't say I'm a fan of buttresses. It was so close to being a perfect fastback. But alas, all of that is irrelevant because I do not fit in a Miata. I would love a targa, but you're right, nothing in the market right now.


I donít fit in a MX-5 either Iím 6í2Ē with long legs so the head room is not terrible, but my legs are folded up. Lol Itís one of the many reasons I love the 86 so much, I fit with room to spare. Youíre right though the RF is so damn cool, and you get a convertible and a fixed roof. I donít care about the extra weight.

I also forgot to mention the MR2ís targa top. I donít know why but I love targa tops. I would seriously consider trading in my FR-S for a removable roof 86.


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Anyone considering trading in their current 86 if all goes well with the next gen 86? I'm having trouble deciding because my car is paid off but I was also considering getting the Supra. I would love to keep my current 86 to compliment which ever other car I get but space is getting limited since I also have a 91 MR2 turbo that sleeps in the garage.


Get and keep them all! Seriously, cars like the turbo MR2 wonít ever be made again. Hell I still canít believe the 86/BRZ was ever made. It doesnít make Toyota or Subaru any money. It does create an insane amount of brand loyalty though.
The new Supra is going to be one of the best sports cars ever. What people are already doing with it, itís crazy. And there will be a manual version, I know Toyota will do it.


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Old 09-25-2019, 09:15 PM   #635
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What about lift out targa panels in two pieces (leaving a center cross beam in place preserving chassis stiffness; and also manual locking, no glass, etc. preserving weight)? A bit more open cockpit (w/o sacrificing weight, chassis strength, aero efficiency, etc. ó even if that meant old style manually removable/trunk storage panels) is one of the features that would (for me) make the already great 86/BRZ experience even greater.

If I was an Emory, Singer, Ruff, etc. and dedicated to 86 like theyíre dedicated to 911 this (old world targa style panels) would be my first major body style modification. The ND RF seems too mechanically complex for my old man/old school aesthetics.


I completely agree, and it works pretty good for the C7 Corvette. That car isnít too shabby.


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You can find pics of the convertible FRS all over Google Images...



I'm sorry to say this, but they just look... wrong.

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I couldn't even point to what it is that I dislike in that design, but my brain tells me something is off there.


I donít hate this, but something feels off


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The car actually has just about as much Toyota parts bin stuff as it does Subaru.



https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71898







Why the boxer was used is explained in full. Not sure why people think it is a mystery.


This is really interesting, I didnít realize how much Toyota was in the twins. For me itís a match made in heaven, as Iím a fanboy for Toyota and Subaru. Now if Toyota would partner with Mazda we could get some really interesting stuff...


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The car actually has just about as much Toyota parts bin stuff as it does Subaru.

https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71898



Why the boxer was used is explained in full. Not sure why people think it is a mystery.
Pardon my ignorance (read: poor comprehension maybe)

Could you please point me in the right direction for why the boxer was used, apart from it's a Subaru item in basically a Subaru.

Disclaimer: I do like both Toyota and Subaru, for multiple reasons, I am jadded a bit though, blind faith in marketing and branding tends to muddy the waters.

As stated, I've owned a few of both and will continue to buy from them as they are really the only two car brands that I would purchase, price, reliability, after sales service and support are heads and shoulders above anything in their price points.

Disclaimer to the disclaimer: I don't really like the boxer engine for a few reasons, but, not enough to not buy my 86.
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this has a lot of it in it

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5274
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Thanks, to me it sounds like it has a boxer because Subaru built it.

Marketing then got hold and sold the product through recorded interviews with "company" engineers, classic political marketing.

Excellent marketing and use of advertisement.

I acknowledge the relationship with the 800, but Toyota originally dropped the for a reason.

Anyways, they are my "somewhat" jaded thoughts on the matter of why a Toyota has a boxer engine.

Are the twins awesome, yes

Do they come with enough power, yes

Are they excellent bang for your buck, yes

Do I wish they had a high reving in line 4, yes

Are they extra stupid fun balls amaze with a turbo, why yes, yes they are.

How fun are forums and opinions, even more fun than a turbo twin.
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I couldn't find the other origin post right away. But considering that is marketing material, it is going to sound like it was marketings idea.
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Thanks, to me it sounds like it has a boxer because Subaru built it.

Marketing then got hold and sold the product through recorded interviews with "company" engineers, classic political marketing.

Excellent marketing and use of advertisement.

I acknowledge the relationship with the 800, but Toyota originally dropped the for a reason.

Anyways, they are my "somewhat" jaded thoughts on the matter of why a Toyota has a boxer engine.

Are the twins awesome, yes

Do they come with enough power, yes

Are they excellent bang for your buck, yes

Do I wish they had a high reving in line 4, yes

Are they extra stupid fun balls amaze with a turbo, why yes, yes they are.

How fun are forums and opinions, even more fun than a turbo twin.
There is little doubt there is some marketing spin on it. Don't think that the engine was developed specifically for this car just because Subaru was involved though. Even removing the marketing biases from that write up it indicates that Toyota specifically desired a Subaru power plant to fit in with the overall vision.
The whole idea that this car is a "Toyota" can be had to break from. It isn't a Toyota. Isn't a Subaru either. It is a hybrid that uses bits of both and the fact that it is assembled in a Subaru plant doesn't mean they decided to use a Subaru engine.
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LOL, I’m not quite on the dark side of scepticism yet but to completely misquote a video recording is disgraceful journalism.

I still think where there’s smoke there’s fire with some of these reports, but if you’ve come across a lot of these I can understand your cynicism.

I’m biased, but one thing is for sure I think the next gen will be a great car, especially if it’s an evolution of an already fantastic first gen.

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