FT-86 SpeedFactory Catted UEL Header

[shaunsweeney]

I wouldn't run an EL header as they do nothing for the torque dip. The best selling point of this header in particular is it fixes just that. Add FI to the mix and you get the upper end power and a fat torque curve throughout the rpm range.

[MidnightRunner]

Originally Posted by shaunsweeney

I wouldn't run an EL header as they do nothing for the torque dip. The best selling point of this header in particular is it fixes just that. Add FI to the mix and you get the upper end power and a fat torque curve throughout the rpm range.

Not entirely true. The p&l and nameless EL headers are great to fill the torque void.

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[Team STILLEN]

Originally Posted by shaunsweeney

I wouldn't keep the stock header if I went SC and not a possibility with a turbo. That just defeats the purpose IMHO. Oh well NA for me. At least I get to rock an awesome header!

I don't see how that defeats the purpose? Like @MidnightRunner said, there were very little gains seen with an aftermarket header on a SC FA20. An overpipe and full exhaust system with the SC should get you what most people are looking for. If I decide to go the SC route that would be my plan.


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[OICU812]

Originally Posted by Team STILLEN

I admire that you are willing to learn how to modify your car. Very smart of you as it will save you a lot of time and money in the long run.

A secondary HFC should have no effect on a HFC in the header. It would further reduce emissions but it would be fine to just run one in the header. From what I have seen, the FA20 doesn't seem to put out enough heat to wear out a HFC at an increased rate. With heavy track use any cat will wear out a bit faster, but I don't see spirited driving and light track use making a major difference. Any of the other manufactures or experienced track guys have any input?


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Interesting. Avo sells a HFC front pipe and they use that in conjunction obviously with their turbos, one of the reasons I got it, that and well I hate ass end of car being stinky and covered in crap. Now that said I'm currently NA but plan turbo or sc this upcoming spring...

[Team STILLEN]

The front pipe might be far enough down stream for the exhaust gas to cool enough to not effect it. I'm not familiar enough with AVO to know how extensive they're testing with their HFC's with FI is but I haven't heard of any problems. I'm going to assume they tested their front pipes (seen them on the WRX also) and found that location is far enough downstream. Also, they use a metallic converter which will take higher temps (ceramic are not as resilient). I know our metallic converters for the VQ37 with a supercharger were still too far upstream and temps got too high for our comfort. If 86 SpeedFactory is using a metallic converter in the header it might hold up to the heat but someone would have to test it to know for sure. I would not use a ceramic HFC front pipe with FI though.


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[FT-86 SpeedFactory]

Originally Posted by trevorovert

If the price is $1000 there is no purpose in buying it. I can buy OFT + OFH for the same price, and get the same results, and also have a data logging tool. Just not even close to worth it. **edit - I live in texas, I'm not considered about emissions really, and also still have my 2nd cat **

I agree that the prices for headers are absolutely absurd on this platform. But this platform is new.

R&D costs aside, they will be making huge margins on these. If ft86 speed factory really knows what they are doing, they will price it right. Forget the R&D costs, people are so much more willing to buy a $600 header than a $1000. I can almost guarantee they will sell more this way.

Sorry to say but the cost to make parts is much higher than most think and margins in parts is almost non existent. We will not be making huge margins in these.

[MidnightRunner]

Originally Posted by Team STILLEN

The front pipe might be far enough down stream for the exhaust gas to cool enough to not effect it. I'm not familiar enough with AVO to know how extensive they're testing with their HFC's with FI is but I haven't heard of any problems. I'm going to assume they tested their front pipes (seen them on the WRX also) and found that location is far enough downstream. Also, they use a metallic converter which will take higher temps (ceramic are not as resilient). I know our metallic converters for the VQ37 with a supercharger were still too far upstream and temps got too high for our comfort. If 86 SpeedFactory is using a metallic converter in the header it might hold up to the heat but someone would have to test it to know for sure. I would not use a ceramic HFC front pipe with FI though.


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Sent u a pm regarding the stock cats. Didn't want to muck up ft86speedfactory' s thread. Thanks

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[Blood]

Didn't see any concrete information about the cat being used. Is it going to be ceramic or metallic substrate?

[Jac]

Originally Posted by Team STILLEN

I don't see how that defeats the purpose? Like @MidnightRunner said, there were very little gains seen with an aftermarket header on a SC FA20. An overpipe and full exhaust system with the SC should get you what most people are looking for. If I decide to go the SC route that would be my plan.


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Thanks for all your advice regarding headers and FI! I was considering a catted UEL header + SC but now i think i'll just keep the stock header instead. The SC will take care of the dip and I can live w/o the boxer rumble.

[SirBrass]

Actually the small gains seen was to fill in a torque dip that, though small, was still present in the SC'd setup that didn't have the aftermarket header.

That kind of thing is worth correcting. Get a good EL or UEL header and get tuned for it, then start saving for SC.

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[Thorpedo]

Originally Posted by trevorovert

If the price is $1000 there is no purpose in buying it. I can buy OFT + OFH for the same price, and get the same results, and also have a data logging tool. Just not even close to worth it. **edit - I live in texas, I'm not considered about emissions really, and also still have my 2nd cat **

I agree that the prices for headers are absolutely absurd on this platform. But this platform is new.

R&D costs aside, they will be making huge margins on these. If ft86 speed factory really knows what they are doing, they will price it right. Forget the R&D costs, people are so much more willing to buy a $600 header than a $1000. I can almost guarantee they will sell more this way.

This is full of wrong.

So you get the OFT and OFH for the same price, and that makes it the case there is "no purpose" in buying this? Your reasoning is ridiculous.

As for your expert opinion on prices, you are WAY off on all accounts.

As others have stated, with the claimed warranty and gains as posted, $8-9XX is what I would expect. I can see a lot more people jumping on the boat though if it is in the 8XX range if that is possible.

Will there be an option to add a second o2 bung for a wideband? If so what would be the added cost?

[mid_life_crisis]

Originally Posted by Turkish

Well, I'd willingly pay $1k for these, so I'm going what they said and assuming the worst. If it winds up being 7-800, I'll spring for an over & front pipe at the same time.

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Will you people please stop announcing how much you are willing to pay!?!? You're helping them set the prices higher! Supply and demand, remember? Stop letting them (vendors in general) know how desperate you are for a HP fix!

[mid_life_crisis]

Originally Posted by shaunsweeney

<$1000 could mean $999.99 or $500. I donut the later butyl would like to get a specific range on the price.

"donut the later butyl"? Wow, spellcheck gone wrong or what? LOL

[Ross]

With other product already on the market, cost will be dictated by material costs and labor. That will most likely be how the price of this header is done. Feel free to look up the cost for quality 304. Then factor in a cat and flanges. Then factor in welding rod, gas, saw blades, time, ect... I find it funny people think a grand is expensive for hand made headers for this platform. If sourcing piping and materials of lower quality then you could do it cheaper, but at what cost down the road is the question. Quality is always better then quantity when you have to foot the bill for warranty. These are just my opinions and I am in no way affiliated with this product or manufacturer.