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Nurburgring · 10-14-2011, 07:14 PM

Highly unlikely that the car will be running RE11S in stock form. Those tires cannot be used on wet surfaces, and wear way too fast for a production car. It´s probably what they will be running at the race.

Looked for the FT86 race category rules (SP3), didn´t find much details but:
- 1600-2000cc
- N/A
- Minimum 980 Kgs
- FWD or RWD
- Cars: Civic Type R, Peugeot 206, Opel Manta, Honda S2000, Renault Clio Cup, Golf GTI MkIII 16v

Michel · 10-14-2011, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dimman

Anyone care to look into what the rules are for the classes?

I did and it's pretty complex. I think it's safe to say though that all cars in the SP* classes are close to stock / lightly modified. For example, engines must have stock power output within 5% tolerance. Choice of brakes are free, as well for shocks etc. Minimum weight for SP3 is 1050kg (empty tank, no driver etc.)

All SP* (SPecial) cars must refer to the 24hr-race rules which you can find here : http://adac.24h-rennen.de/uploads/me...ng_2011_01.pdf

Dimman · 10-14-2011, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michel

I did and it's pretty complex. I think it's safe to say though that all cars in the SP* classes are close to stock / lightly modified. For example, engines must have stock power output within 5% tolerance. Choice of brakes are free, as well for shocks etc. Minimum weight for SP3 is 1050kg (empty tank, no driver etc.)

All SP* (SPecial) cars must refer to the 24hr-race rules which you can find here : http://adac.24h-rennen.de/uploads/me...ng_2011_01.pdf

Interesting. If the HP has to be close to stock and we get some top speed figures on a good long straight, we could make a comparison between the 240 hp S2K and the 2XX? hp FT86.

speed-wiz · 10-14-2011, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dimman

Interesting. If the HP has to be close to stock and we get some top speed figures on a good long straight, we could make a comparison between the 240 hp S2K and the 2XX? hp FT86.

Yes, the more details we can get about the car's performance at the track, the more we can infer about its power and weight.

WolfpackS2k · 10-15-2011, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Marrk

+1.

FT-86 = $20k + 200 hp

S2K = $30k-ish + 240 hp

(and that's just two of the metrics)

Every time you think your FT-86 sucks because it is not an S2000, you can cheer yourself by thinking about the extra $10k you have in your bank account.

The bottom line is: The S2000 was a blast to drive. If the FT-86 is a blast to drive, I'm good with that.

I know comparing a used car to a new car is apples to oranges, but....

I bought my S2000 when it was one year old, with only 4800 miles on the odometer, for $21,300. And given how far vehicle performance has progressed in the last 10 years (WRX, Mustang, MS3, etc) I don't think it's unreasonable to desire it's performance to be on par with the S2000 (a sports car designed in the 90s). Though without a forced induction power option (or a curb weight under 2500 lbs) I don't see how it can match the S2000.

Also, the S2000 still IS a blast to drive

Bones · 10-15-2011, 02:33 AM

the FT-86 starts in the category 1750 - 2000ccm WITHOUT turbo .... no turbo ?

Sea1monkey2 · 10-15-2011, 02:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bones

the FT-86 starts in the category 1750 - 2000ccm WITHOUT turbo .... no turbo ?

well yeah, it's also in the category N/A. Natural Aspiration means no turbos bro

ichitaka05 · 10-15-2011, 04:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PAImportTuner

It's for the turn signal. In this location there is a logo that also lights up. Subaru has a GM-like fender vent slightly above this location and the turn signal is mounted on mirrors instead.

Sorry what?

It sure don't look like turn signal to me. Like I've stated, it looks like a plug to lift the car up.

RWD_only · 10-15-2011, 04:37 AM

Fresh from Gazoo Racing affiliate's twitter. This is from the practice round - pic was posted 2 hours ago. Qualifying soon.

You can keep yourself updated through the GR website: http://gazoo.com/Racing/Top/2009NUR2...e.aspx?Page=15 and on Twitter: http://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23vln9gr

Farred · 10-15-2011, 05:18 AM

thanks. i am using google translate for the twitter and its not coming out all chopped up. not much info yet on the car on twitter.

kaivo · 10-15-2011, 05:33 AM

qualy lap

SP3 class winner Civic type R 9:23.582
ft86 10:39.515

vln.de

CyberFormula · 10-15-2011, 05:48 AM

Honda has good drivers and car

Clode · 10-15-2011, 06:05 AM

photos

http://carscoop.blogspot.com/2011/10...-personal.html

Michel · 10-15-2011, 06:28 AM

I'm in the gazoo pitbox, things are going OK so far

10-15-2011, 05:48 AM	#236
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10-14-2011, 07:14 PM	#225
Nurburgring Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Drives: S2000, AE86, RSV10000R, 911, EP91 Location: Chile Posts: 47 Thanks: 0 Thanked 11 Times in 3 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Highly unlikely that the car will be running RE11S in stock form. Those tires cannot be used on wet surfaces, and wear way too fast for a production car. It´s probably what they will be running at the race. Looked for the FT86 race category rules (SP3), didn´t find much details but: - 1600-2000cc - N/A - Minimum 980 Kgs - FWD or RWD - Cars: Civic Type R, Peugeot 206, Opel Manta, Honda S2000, Renault Clio Cup, Golf GTI MkIII 16v

10-15-2011, 02:33 AM	#230
Bones Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Drives: Volkswagen Scirocco Location: Zwickau Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	the FT-86 starts in the category 1750 - 2000ccm WITHOUT turbo .... no turbo ?

10-15-2011, 04:37 AM	#233
RWD_only Lurks 'n stuff Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: 1994 Mazda Miata Location: Eugene/Sherwood, OR Posts: 112 Thanks: 99 Thanked 13 Times in 10 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Fresh from Gazoo Racing affiliate's twitter. This is from the practice round - pic was posted 2 hours ago. Qualifying soon. You can keep yourself updated through the GR website: http://gazoo.com/Racing/Top/2009NUR2...e.aspx?Page=15 and on Twitter: http://twitter.com/#!/search?q=%23vln9gr

10-15-2011, 05:18 AM	#234
Farred Member Join Date: May 2011 Drives: my wife crazy Location: Germany/USA Posts: 67 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	thanks. i am using google translate for the twitter and its not coming out all chopped up. not much info yet on the car on twitter.

10-15-2011, 05:33 AM	#235
kaivo Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Drives: -.- Location: est Posts: 47 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	qualy lap SP3 class winner Civic type R 9:23.582 ft86 10:39.515 vln.de

10-15-2011, 06:05 AM	#237
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