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Old 08-09-2017, 10:07 PM   #29
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8k RPM redline = higher top speed!

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Old 08-10-2017, 12:32 AM   #30
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I'd have to test, but I'm willing to bet the speedo doesn't stay stuck at a speed when the dash loses power. This isn't like an old mechanical watch.

I'm betting he wasn't going nearly that fast, though the car is capable of doing it, you need a lot of road to get there.
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No. You need to study up on some physics.

Air resistance is the limiting factor versus peak power. Air resistance increases by the square of the speed increase. If you need 100bhp to do 100mph, you need 400bhp to do 200mph.

To go 10% faster, you need 1.1*1.1 the power. So to go from 100mph to 110mph you need 1.21 * the power. In the example of 100bhp for 100mph you would need 121bhp to do 110.

The highest FRS/GT86 speed that I have seen (indicated) in videos is 139mph. For it to do 160mph, it would need:

160/139 = 1.15 (15% faster)
1.15 * 1.15 = 1.32 (32% more power)
200BHP * 132% = 264bhp.

So... maybe in a Cosworth or other charged modded car, but no... not stock.
This is called bench racing. Everyday Driver put a video up in the last week of a stock FRS doing 150 mph. I've seen 158.
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Old 08-10-2017, 12:53 PM   #32
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This is called bench racing. Everyday Driver put a video up in the last week of a stock FRS doing 150 mph. I've seen 158.
Indicated on the dash or an actual speed trap?

Speedos are unreliable.
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Indicated on the dash or an actual speed trap?

Speedos are unreliable.
Correction, old speedos are unreliable. Modern electronic ones don't have the same issues.

Most accurate is GPS as radar can be horribly wrong as well.
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Old 08-12-2017, 06:05 AM   #34
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Correction, old speedos are unreliable. Modern electronic ones don't have the same issues.

Most accurate is GPS as radar can be horribly wrong as well.
Actually, electronic speedos are inaccurate and manufacturers even state so. There are different regulations around various parts of the world about how accurate they must be and the margin for error is significant. Usually, to save getting sued manufacturers make the speedo over-read by as much as 10%. Things that affect speedo reading are: Tyre pressure, tyre wear, incorrect outer circumference of tyres, tyre bloat under load, ambient pressure/temperature altering tyre pressure, the speedo's calibration settings. Altered final drives and/or differential modifications make a huge difference.

Also GPS isn't ideal either, certainly not normal domestic grade GPS devices. They typically have a low refresh rate (1Hz or less) and aggressive data smoothing functions to accommodate for poor precision timers and accuracy. Most do not account for the vertical component, not just in vertical speed but in altitude which effects the accuracy of the position.

A domestic GPS might calculate a grouping of positions with a 10-100m error and take the average (usually fairly accurate) but with each subsequent readings of a stationary vehicle the position can jump instantly 3-5m which would cause a speed reading of potentially many hundreds of mph. To prevent this the speed is sampled over a much longer averaging window. Thus the speed provided by the GPS is an "indicative" approximate speed.

Best conditions:
* Perfectly straight road.
* Perfectly level road
* At sea level
* When a full set of required satellites are being received
* At a constant speed maintained for at least 10-20 seconds.

Aero-grade or military grade GPSs have much higher refresh rates, such as 10Hz or 100Hz and include the correct calculations and offsets for vertical position and speed. They also have better receivers and better high precision timers, better smoothing, better error correction and better averaging functions.

Cheap radar guns can be inaccurate due to the high precision timers being affected by temperature. They need to be re-calibrated routinely for accurate readings. Readings can also be out as the most accurate reading is taken from directly in front, directly aligned with the vehicles path... ie. it will hit you unless you are on a gantry. Other things that can affect the reading are the beam bouncing off a wheel spoke etc.

The easiest way to detect an actual speed which doesn't requrie high precision timing and calculating with the speed of limit, like GPS and Radar is a simple speed trap with two beams set an exact distance apart (like 1 meter). Then you simply measure the time between the two beam breaks. The reciprocal of this will give you the exact speed in m/s (assuming a 1 meter spacing).
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Old 08-12-2017, 06:22 AM   #35
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Some references:
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/...mooth-gps-data
http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/tutoria...k_filters.html
https://gis.stackexchange.com/questi...ccuracy-of-gps
http://gpsinformation.net/main/gpsspeed.htm

Note these mention the doppler shift method of speed calculation which is inaccurate if done to 2D like most domestic and auto-motive GPSs. Remember you have to include the Azimuth of the satellites in the 3D calculation, not just you terrain elevation/slope. Position based calculations are most likely also used in cheaper devices which are even less accurate.

The highest top speed of the GT86 according to an app on my phone was 758mph.

I have also taken track logs that showed me, while half way to work, teleport to the Azure islands and back again registering a speed close to that of C.
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Putting things in perspective likely accuracy:

Speedo: +/- 10% more likely + (or greater if you have custom or worn tyres or have diff modifications)
Cheap Domestic GPS: +/- 3-5mph
Decent Domestic GPS: +/- 3mph
Aero-grade GPS: +/- 0.5mph

For radar it highly depends on the accuracy of the timer or the doppler accuracy.

For the dual beam speed trap is depends on the accuracy of the timer. But a timer with an accuracy or +/-0.005 and a precision of 0.01 (1/100th of second) would give you an accuracy of 99%. Better timers are easily available and most motorsport venues are accurate to the 1/1000th second (milisecond) and that gives an accuracy of 99.9%.
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This is called bench racing. Everyday Driver put a video up in the last week of a stock FRS doing 150 mph. I've seen 158.
You just got lawyered.
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ive been 135 Stock. slowed down it got sketchy on the road where i live
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This is called bench racing. Everyday Driver put a video up in the last week of a stock FRS doing 150 mph. I've seen 158.
No, that's just the math involved to go that fast. What isn't shown is the sheer amount of space it takes to get going that fast. How many miles do you think did it takes for a stock FRS to reach 150 (let alone 158)?
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